Jesus Could Have Walked on Ice, Scientist Says

Pandora

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I read this earlier today and thought how I'd love to see anybody walk on an isolated patch of ice across water. :killingme
 

2ndAmendment

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Matthew 14:22-36

22Immediately He made the disciples get into the boat and go ahead of Him to the other side, while He sent the crowds away.

23After He had sent the crowds away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray; and when it was evening, He was there alone.

24But the boat was already a long distance from the land, battered by the waves; for the wind was contrary.

25And in the fourth watch of the night He came to them, walking on the sea.

26When the disciples saw Him walking on the sea, they were terrified, and said, "It is a ghost!" And they cried out in fear.

27But immediately Jesus spoke to them, saying, "Take courage, it is I; do not be afraid."

28Peter said to Him, "Lord, if it is You, command me to come to You on the water."

29And He said, "Come!" And Peter got out of the boat, and walked on the water and came toward Jesus.

30But seeing the wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!"

31Immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and took hold of him, and said to him, "You of little faith, why did you doubt?"

32When they got into the boat, the wind stopped.

33And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, "You are certainly God's Son!"

34When they had crossed over, they came to land at Gennesaret.

35And when the men of that place recognized Him, they sent word into all that surrounding district and brought to Him all who were sick;

36and they implored Him that they might just touch the fringe of His cloak; and as many as touched it were cured.
So Jesus was walking on ice while the boat was being battered by waves and Peter walked on the same ice but sank through it but Jesus didn't and grabbed Peter and Peter rose up out of the water again. Yeah. That makes sense. :sarcasm:

What this shows is how people will grasp at any straw to disprove God. If they admit that God is real, then they have to admit that the Bible is Truth and if they admit that the Bible is Truth, then they have to admit they are sinners and need salvation. Oops. Can't do anything I want any more.
 

sleuth

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2ndAmendment said:
:killingme :killingme
So Jesus was walking on ice while the boat was being battered by waves and Peter walked on the same ice but sank through it but Jesus didn't and grabbed Peter and Peter rose up out of the water again. Yeah. That makes sense. :sarcasm:

What this shows is how people will grasp at any straw to disprove God. If they admit that God is real, then they have to admit that the Bible is Truth and if they admit that the Bible is Truth, then they have to admit they are sinners and need salvation. Oops. Can't do anything I want any more.
Come on 2A. Let's not judge the scientists. :nono: They weren't necessarily trying to "disprove" Jesus. They merely offered what they believed to be a plausible scientific explanation.

Personally, I think it's a bunch of baloney, :lmao: but it doesn't mean that science can't try to explain the miracles of Jesus. I say best of luck to them.
 

crabcake

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2ndAmendment said:
If they admit that God is real, then they have to admit that the Bible is Truth and if they admit that the Bible is Truth, then they have to admit they are sinners and need salvation. Oops. Can't do anything I want any more.
Or it means the Bible (and subsequently what you quoted from it) is full of balogna. :shrug:

I just thought it was an interesting theory. :ohwell:
 

Tonio

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sleuth said:
They weren't necessarily trying to "disprove" Jesus. They merely offered what they believed to be a plausible scientific explanation.
Exactly. Whether the Bible is truth is a matter of personal religious faith. In my view, a person can read the the Bible for metaphor and inspiration instead of for factual truth and still believe in God.

2ndAmendment said:
What this shows is how people will grasp at any straw to disprove God. If they admit that God is real, then they have to admit that the Bible is Truth and if they admit that the Bible is Truth, then they have to admit they are sinners and need salvation. Oops. Can't do anything I want any more.
That is exactly why I detest evangelism in any religion. By using the word "sinners," you seem to be saying that anyone who doesn't share your beliefs is evil and wicked. Or at least, you seem to imply that non-Christian belief systems are forms of self-destructive behavior like substance abuse. Why can't evangelists just be satisfied with their own beliefs? Why can't they just leave everyone else alone?
 

sleuth

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Tonio said:
Exactly. Whether the Bible is truth is a matter of personal religious faith. In my view, a person can read the the Bible for metaphor and inspiration instead of for factual truth and still believe in God.

Not exactly, I was thinking more along the lines of these scientists merely posing the theory that Jesus used science to make at least some of his miracles. Doesn't mean that he isn't still the son of God.
 

Nickel

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Tonio said:
By using the word "sinners," you seem to be saying that anyone who doesn't share your beliefs is evil and wicked.
I just want to step in and play "devil's advocate" for a moment. The term "sinners", as 2A and other Christians use it, is in reference to everyone, themselves included. The difference in a Christian and non-Christian is in part that a Christian realizes that everyone, himself included, is a sinner. Obviously, no one is perfect. A non-Christian believes that as long as they live a good life, they are not a sinner.
 

2ndAmendment

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Nickel said:
I just want to step in and play "devil's advocate" for a moment. The term "sinners", as 2A and other Christians use it, is in reference to everyone, themselves included. The difference in a Christian and non-Christian is in part that a Christian realizes that everyone, himself included, is a sinner. Obviously, no one is perfect. A non-Christian believes that as long as they live a good life, they are not a sinner.
:yay:
 

2ndAmendment

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crabcake said:
Or it means the Bible (and subsequently what you quoted from it) is full of balogna. :shrug:

I just thought it was an interesting theory. :ohwell:
Interesting. So quoting from the Bible means nothing to you. OK. The Bible and its message has withstood the test of time. The Pentateuch has been around for about 5000 - 6000 years and the account of Jesus has been believed for more than 2000 years. People from the time Jesus walked on this earth to this day have and are willing to die for their belief. The falling away of believers and the increase in those that will not believe are prophesied in the Bible as a sign of the last days. So whether you believe and accept God's way in this life makes the difference as to where you will spend eternity. But no matter whether you believe now or not, you will bend your knee before Jesus and acknowledge Him as Lord. The question is will He also be your Savior? Will you be on His right hand or His left?
 

supersurfer

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2ndAmendment said:
Interesting. So quoting from the Bible means nothing to you.
Not really

2ndAmendment said:
OK. The Bible and its message has withstood the test of time. The Pentateuch has been around for about 5000 - 6000 years and the account of Jesus has been believed for more than 2000 years. People from the time Jesus walked on this earth to this day have and are willing to die for their belief.
The Quran is still withstanding the test of time as well. The same can be said for Buddist texts, The Bhagvad Gita (sp? Krishna Conciousness), and on, and on, and on.

A lot of Muslims are willing to die for their belief, that doesn't make it true, now does it?

I can see people buying into the whole Jesus is alive. There are a ton of crackpots out there who believe that Elvis and Kurt Cobain are still alive too.
 
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2ndAmendment

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supersurfer said:
Not really


The Quran is still withstanding the test of time as well. The same can be said for Buddist texts, The Bhagvad Gita (sp? Krishna Conciousness), and on, and on, and on.

A lot of Muslims are willing to die for their belief, that doesn't make it true, now does it?

I can see people buying into the whole Jesus is alive. There are a ton of crackpots out there who believe that Elvis and Kurt Cobain are still alive too.
Do you do any research before you make statements like this?

The Qur'an was originally compiled in 634 AD and has been revised with actual changed text and meaning several times since then. Although not always agreed to the date of publication of the The Bhagavad Gita is about 200 B.C. So they are old, but not nearly as old as the roots of the Bible.

Dieing for one's belief does indeed prove sincerity. Motive should also be examined for one's willingness to die. Christians die rather than deny their faith in Jesus because they love Him. Muslims become martyrs in order to get 72 virgins to frolic with. One is done out of pure love and the other is done out of desire for personal gain.
 

supersurfer

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2ndAmendment said:
Dieing for one's belief does indeed prove sincerity. Motive should also be examined for one's willingness to die. Christians die rather than deny their faith in Jesus because they love Him. Muslims become martyrs in order to get 72 virgins to frolic with. One is done out of pure love and the other is done out of desire for personal gain.
I fail to see the difference.

They become martyrs to go directly to heaven. (Your words were "desire for personal gain")

You get "saved" to gain eternal life and escape the damnation of hell.
(How's this not the desire for personal gain? :confused:)
 

supersurfer

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2ndAmendment said:
The Bible and its message has withstood the test of time. The Pentateuch has been around for about 5000 - 6000 years and the account of Jesus has been believed for more than 2000 years.
Okay, the other two weren't good enough for you.

Look at the Torah. Let's all become Hasidic Jews!
:thewave:
 

2ndAmendment

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supersurfer said:
I fail to see the difference.

They become martyrs to go directly to heaven. (Your words were "desire for personal gain")

You get "saved" to gain eternal life and escape the damnation of hell.
(How's this not the desire for personal gain? :confused:)
Both Muslims and Christians look for eternal life in heaven or paradise.

Muslims have a system of good/evil balance except in the case of martyrs. In the good/evil balance, if the good outweighs the evil, a Muslim believe they are bound for paradise. Paradise is earned. A martyr goes straight to paradise no matter how the good/evil scales were balanced before and not only that, they get 72 virgins to frolic with forever. How they remain virgins is a mystery.

Christians know that no one is good enough to get to heaven. We must accept God's gift of salvation. Heaven and eternal life is a gift, not earned. Murder is a sin that can be forgiven but is not rewarded. Murder is different from killing in intent and motive and the Bible differentiates between the two. Killing in war is not murder. Killing by accident is not murder. Men and women in God's kingdom are not given in marriage.
 

supersurfer

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2ndAmendment said:
Both Muslims and Christians look for eternal life in heaven or paradise.

Muslims have a system of good/evil balance except in the case of martyrs. In the good/evil balance, if the good outweighs the evil, a Muslim believe they are bound for paradise. Paradise is earned. A martyr goes straight to paradise no matter how the good/evil scales were balanced before and not only that, they get 72 virgins to frolic with forever. How they remain virgins is a mystery.

Christians know that no one is good enough to get to heaven. We must accept God's gift of salvation. Heaven and eternal life is a gift, not earned. Murder is a sin that can be forgiven but is not rewarded. Murder is different from killing in intent and motive and the Bible differentiates between the two. Killing in war is not murder. Killing by accident is not murder. Men and women in God's kingdom are not given in marriage.

I pretty much know how they both work. The are still both selfish desires.
 

2ndAmendment

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supersurfer said:
Okay, the other two weren't good enough for you.

Look at the Torah. Let's all become Hasidic Jews!
:thewave:
Research, research. The Torah is the Old Testament. Christians already believe in the Torah.

I have to quit engaging you. I know you are a troll. Bye.
 
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