Zguy28
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Yep, heretic.John Hagee?
http://www.danielakin.com/wp-conten...verything-Changes-with-Jesus-Manuscriptkh.pdf
Notice Hagee's name on the first page.
Jews Observing Prophetic Messianic Events Today
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http://www.danielakin.com/wp-conten...verything-Changes-with-Jesus-Manuscriptkh.pdf
Notice Hagee's name on the first page.
Zguy28
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Sometimes its hard to tell if a person is putting something out on a forum to just discuss it or if they are promoting it.
The purpose was/is to have a discussion about personal thoughts, beliefs and show the differences of eschatolgy; how Judaism, Islam, Christianity have their own varying views of the end of days in regard to a Messianic era.
One of the reasons Judaism did not accept Jesus (Yeshua haMashiach) is because while He was on earth He did not vanquish the enemies of Israel and usher in the period when swords would be "turned into plowshares" and the "wolf and the lamb" would cozy up to one another, etc.
The writings of Orthodox Judaism speak of two Messiahs, ben Yosef and ben David and many Rabbis sense that these days are near their prophetic fulfillment to be revealed. Thought this would spark some interest to discuss, but... oh well.
Just posting an article, and then following that up by citing sources you have consulted makes it look like the latter. But, knowing you are a Christian, it was confusing.
Starman3000m
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Sorry,Zguy28, you're right. I should have added some sort of comment at the start rather than just pulling a "no no" and dropping an article in all by itself with no other explanation.
The reason for citing the follow-ups was to submit added verification that Orthodox Judaism does have its own version of eschatology and many Jews today are watching the "signs" that are taking place in the Middle East. As Railroad pointed out this is a forum that can be used for learning and being educated on what other faiths teach.
Anyway, I simply thought it would be interesting to share with others that many in Orthodox Judaism also sense that mankind is at a point in history where their awaited "messiah" could soon appear because of the world events that are going on right now with Iran and Saudi Arabia and to show what they expect will happen out of all of this
If anyone reading this thread learned something new that they were not aware of before then that's what this is all about.
What do you mean by "mainstream" Christians? Do you mean born-again, believing Christians, which is the only way to become one, as specifically taught in the Bible?
Or do you mean all those that call themselves Christians just because they say they are, or their parents were, or because some religion/denomination/cult tells them they are?
Your mention to the 144,000 believing Messianiac Jews are those that became believers AFTER the start of the Tribulation, not before. Those would have been raptured before. The conventional wisdom is that these believers will go out through the rest of the Tribulation, in the remaining areas of the mid-east, witnessing and attempting to convert any non-believer they come in contact with, Jew or Gentile. They (the 144,000) will not be harmed, because their protection is from God (Rev 7:3 - sealed servants).
God is a just and righteous God. Everyone has a choice in their final destination. God will just put your choice into action when the time comes.
Starman3000m
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Hagee has been able to deliver some pretty inspirational sermons when they are straight from the context of the Holy Bible. However, his view on the "dual Covenant" theology is off-base simply from the fact that the the New Covenant includes both Jew and Gentile alike with no more distinctions between them. Not to mention that the very first partakers of the New Covenant were Jewish men, women and children to begin with.
Additionally, the Great Commission to evangelize the Good News to mankind of Salvation through Jesus (Yeshua HaMashiach) includes taking it to the Jews/Israelies today as much as it did when Jesus' Disciples preached the Gospel in Jerusalem.
VoteJP
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Rock and Roll.
What I really meant is that all of that which you mention is complete rubbish and nonsense.
As is the same for the opening post(er) of this thread.
But if you or anyone wants to learn the far more interesting and more accurate accounting of Bible prophesy then see below:
Link here = The United States and Britain in Prophesy.
What I really meant is that all of that which you mention is complete rubbish and nonsense.
As is the same for the opening post(er) of this thread.
But if you or anyone wants to learn the far more interesting and more accurate accounting of Bible prophesy then see below:
Link here = The United States and Britain in Prophesy.
Starman3000m
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excerpt from VoteJP's source:
VoteJP
J.P. Cusick
Response.
My compliments - as that is the smartest thing I have ever seen you post.
The person of David being a real person and David's throne being a real thrown along with Queen Elizabeth and her thrown is what demonstrates that God and the Bible are dealing with reality and not fairy tales.
The finding comes based on the two (2) Bible texts of Jeremiah 41:10 "king's daughters" and Jeremiah 43:6 "king's daughters" as the David lineage and thrown was saved through the female line, and evidence now shows it was three (3) daughters.
In the USA the US Presidents have all been related to the British Monarchy having a male heir over the tribe of Israel even when there were female Queens in Britain.
See this short 1:45 minute video as this girl traced the ancestry through the female line, link YouTube here = 12 yr Girl Discovers ALL US Presidents (except one) related to one British King.
The biggest and best end time prophesy is here given in Genesis 49, which declares the prophesies are NOT conditional and they are for the last days. Not for the 1200 BCE and not for the birth of the Messiah but prophesy for the last days - Genesis 49.
That is the basis of "The United States and Britain in Prophesy."
The Jewish people are the tribe of Judah being a brother of Israel but not Israel.
And Herbert Armstrong did NOT come up with this message, as it was told long before Armstrong and Armstrong just passed the message onward in an easier to read book.
An earlier version from 1902 is told here = Wiki - Judah Scepter and Josephs Birthright, and HERE.
The truth and reality are far better and far more meaningful then is anything otherwise.
excerpt from VoteJP's source:
My compliments - as that is the smartest thing I have ever seen you post.
The person of David being a real person and David's throne being a real thrown along with Queen Elizabeth and her thrown is what demonstrates that God and the Bible are dealing with reality and not fairy tales.
The finding comes based on the two (2) Bible texts of Jeremiah 41:10 "king's daughters" and Jeremiah 43:6 "king's daughters" as the David lineage and thrown was saved through the female line, and evidence now shows it was three (3) daughters.
In the USA the US Presidents have all been related to the British Monarchy having a male heir over the tribe of Israel even when there were female Queens in Britain.
See this short 1:45 minute video as this girl traced the ancestry through the female line, link YouTube here = 12 yr Girl Discovers ALL US Presidents (except one) related to one British King.
The biggest and best end time prophesy is here given in Genesis 49, which declares the prophesies are NOT conditional and they are for the last days. Not for the 1200 BCE and not for the birth of the Messiah but prophesy for the last days - Genesis 49.
That is the basis of "The United States and Britain in Prophesy."
The Jewish people are the tribe of Judah being a brother of Israel but not Israel.
And Herbert Armstrong did NOT come up with this message, as it was told long before Armstrong and Armstrong just passed the message onward in an easier to read book.
An earlier version from 1902 is told here = Wiki - Judah Scepter and Josephs Birthright, and HERE.
The truth and reality are far better and far more meaningful then is anything otherwise.
Starman3000m
New Member
So, according to what you claim, Queen Elizabeth has pretty much "thrown" down the gauntlet, challenged all religions and claimed she is the true person in charge of ruling this earth for God? Is that what you believe?
VoteJP
J.P. Cusick
Response.
Okay, I spelled the word "throne" wrong, and my Mozilla spell-check did not catch the error either.
I do not see QE2 as the ruler of earth, but she does sit on the David throne, and she is the distant relative and the prophesied heir.
Here is an other accounting = British Israelism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the deeper we dig into the subject then the better and more interesting it gets.
The tribe of Judah (the Jewish people) are the keepers of the "law" as in the old Testament laws, Genesis 49:9-11.
So, according to what you claim, Queen Elizabeth has pretty much "thrown" down the gauntlet, challenged all religions and claimed she is the true person in charge of ruling this earth for God? Is that what you believe?
Okay, I spelled the word "throne" wrong, and my Mozilla spell-check did not catch the error either.
I do not see QE2 as the ruler of earth, but she does sit on the David throne, and she is the distant relative and the prophesied heir.
Here is an other accounting = British Israelism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the deeper we dig into the subject then the better and more interesting it gets.
The tribe of Judah (the Jewish people) are the keepers of the "law" as in the old Testament laws, Genesis 49:9-11.