Johns Hopkins Study Says COVID-19 Has 'Relatively No Effect on Deaths' in U.S.

vraiblonde

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Gets promptly censored:


Fortunately, there's the Wayback Machine:


They also linked to it as a pdf for you insurgents who want to read carefully compiled research that refutes what your betters tell you is true:

 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
A question was posed: will the vaccine prevent the transmission of Covid-19?

2 doctors from Hopkins and one from GWU all said the same thing: no clue. Even after receiving the vaccine, masks and distancing will still be required. The vaccine will only lessen the effects of an infection.

??

Then why get the vaccine if masks and distancing work? Which they don't...
 

Hijinx

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A question was posed: will the vaccine prevent the transmission of Covid-19?

2 doctors from Hopkins and one from GWU all said the same thing: no clue. Even after receiving the vaccine, masks and distancing will still be required. The vaccine will only lessen the effects of an infection.

??

Then why get the vaccine if masks and distancing work? Which they don't...
These EXPERTS ????? have no idea WTF they are talking about.
But Thank god, Joe Biden says HE can stop the virus.
HE has a PLAN
 

itsbob

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These EXPERTS ????? have no idea WTF they are talking about.
But Thank god, Joe Biden says HE can stop the virus.
HE has a PLAN
And his plan is iron clad..

What is your plan to fight covid?

Our plan is to fight COVID with a plan!!

Who can argue with that.. I'm telling week, ten days after the inauguration it will be a BIDEN Miracle... it will all but disappear, and no more daily press reports about it.
 

SkylarkTempest

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Gets promptly censored:


Fortunately, there's the Wayback Machine:


They also linked to it as a pdf for you insurgents who want to read carefully compiled research that refutes what your betters tell you is true:

I encourage everyone to review the editor's noted on the "censored" article. I have put in bold the most important points.

Editor’s Note: After The News-Letter published this article on Nov. 22, it was brought to our attention that our coverage of Genevieve Briand’s presentation “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data” has been used to support dangerous inaccuracies that minimize the impact of the pandemic.

We decided on Nov. 26 to retract this article to stop the spread of misinformation, as we noted on social media. However, it is our responsibility as journalists to provide a historical record. We have chosen to take down the article from our website, but it is available
here as a PDF.

In accordance with our standards for transparency, we are sharing with our readers how we came to this decision.
The News-Letter is an editorially and financially independent, student-run publication. Our articles and content are not endorsed by the University or the School of Medicine, and our decision to retract this article was made independently.

Briand’s study should not be used exclusively in understanding the impact of COVID-19, but should be taken in context with the countless other data published by Hopkins, the World Health Organization and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

As assistant director for the Master’s in Applied Economics program at Hopkins, Briand is neither a medical professional nor a disease researcher. At her talk, she herself stated that more research and data are needed to understand the effects of COVID-19 in the U.S.

Briand was quoted in the article as saying, “All of this points to no evidence that COVID-19 created any excess deaths. Total death numbers are not above normal death numbers.” This claim is incorrect and does not take into account the spike in raw death count
from all causes compared to previous years. According to the CDC, there have been almost 300,000 excess deaths due to COVID-19. Additionally, Briand presented data of total U.S. deaths in comparison to COVID-19-related deaths as a proportion percentage, which trivializes the repercussions of the pandemic. This evidence does not disprove the severity of COVID-19; an increase in excess deaths is not represented in these proportionalities because they are offered as percentages, not raw numbers.

Briand also claimed in her analysis that deaths due to heart diseases, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia may be incorrectly categorized as COVID-19-related deaths. However, COVID-19
disproportionately affects those with preexisting conditions, so those with those underlying conditions are statistically more likely to be severely affected and die from the virus.

Because of these inaccuracies and our failure to provide additional information about the effects of COVID-19,
The News-Letter decided to retract this article. It is our duty as a publication to combat the spread of misinformation and to enhance our fact-checking process. We apologize to our readers.

This data isn't surprising. If the population most likely to die from heart disease gets COVID, then some of the deaths that would have occurred naturally within the course of the year would now be prematurely caused, or coincident with, by the effects of the disease. This isn't a smoking gun and no one is trying to hide anything.

But I'm willing to have my mind changed. No one disputes that there have been excess deaths this year. Is there an alternative explanation for this?
 

LightRoasted

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If I may ...

These EXPERTS ????? have no idea WTF they are talking about.
Quite true.

Consider the following figures- US Total deaths by year per the CDC:

2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: as of 11/14 total deaths= 2,512,880

At present the US is experiencing a 1.12% increase in overall mortality rates for 2020- not good- pandemicky numbers to be sure.

However, last year, 2019, there was also a 1.12% increase. Did we miss a pandemic in 2019?

But wait it’s even "scarier"- 2018 saw a 1.22% increase in mortality rates, 2017 saw a 1.24% increase, 2016 1.27% increase, 2015 1.27% increase, 2014 1.29% increase- all exceeding 2020’s increase in mortality rate- so does this mean we have had pandemics for the last 7 years?

Does this indicate non-stop pandemics every year for the last 7 years and we just weren’t paying attention and didn’t have an 'honest" media to keep us pinned to our beds in a proper state of fear?

And BTW 2013 all the way back to 2009 all showed .09% increases in mortality rates- don’t know where the cutoff is but certainly even these years were “pandemic like” if you feel this year was truly a pandemic.

It isn’t until we go back to the year 2008 that we see a decrease in overall mortality rates in the US. For 20 straight years there were decreases in mortality rates and then in 2009 this changed- since then we have had an increase in mortality rates. Why is that? Could this point to the 2008 economic recession as being the leading indicator rather than some supernatural viral entity? Possibly equating to an increase in population, births, immigration, illegal or otherwise? Year over year population growth rates since 2000 have vacillated between .59% and 1.22%. Wouldn't we expect the death rate to grow with the population? Maybe it's because of many baby boomers moving on to their great reward, one way or another? Maybe it's just more fat people dying?

In reality, this year at present seems to be no different in overall mortality rates compared to last year and less of an increase than 5 of the 6 the preceding years. How is this possible during a “pandemic of biblical proportions?”

It's always important to look at the rates (populations are increasing and rates vary) and overall trends to get a clear picture.

It's also been obvious since April that how death certificates are filed have been dramatically altered (first time in history) to give liberal interpretations to "Covid" as being cause of death- and let's not forget that PCR tests at greater than 35 cycles (as is the case in virtually every lab in the US/Europe) produce massive false positives that cannot distinguish between the COVID coronavirus and other coronavirus'. Let alone that the inventor of said PCR test said that any cycles over 30 were worthless. This article illustrates indeed that past deaths caused by heart disease are now obviously getting lumped into the catch-all "Covid" category.

Oh and BTW the WHO, that bastion of truth, changed it's definition of what IS a Pandemic in 2009- might want to look into how and why that was done.

Has anyone visited the Social Security Administration to ascertain if death benefits have increased significantly since the beginning of this scamdemic? There are many liars and charlatans promoting the scam, however, since the Social Security Administration has oversight, on what seems a daily basis, directly from Congress, and nearly every financial reporter and the AARP, I seriously doubt they would be fudging their numbers.

Of course, also, if there were such truly massive increases in deaths, wouldn't those companies that manufacture coffins, operate funeral homes, crematoriums, etc., be going parabolic in their stock prices. Wouldn't Warren Buffet be buying these businesses and the financial markets be praising him, more so, for his foresight and genius? For giggles, did a quick lookie see at Hillenbrand Inc., the parent company of Batesville Casket Company. On January 1, 2020, their stock price was $33.60. Today? At pre-market opening, $38.65. However, on June 30, 2019, their stock price was $39.98. Ummm. Not to sure if the scamdemic is properly priced in. Maybe it's because they have sooo much competition? Unlikely, since as of 2019 Batesville had a 47% market share. Aka, the big boy on the block.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
One thing is sure I am no expert, but it would seem to me that as population in the US increases each year the death rate will also increase.
 

herb749

Well-Known Member
If I may ...


Quite true.

Consider the following figures- US Total deaths by year per the CDC:

2013: 2,596,993
2014: 2,626,418
2015: 2,712,630
2016: 2,744,248
2017: 2,813,503
2018: 2,839,205
2019: 2,855,000
2020: as of 11/14 total deaths= 2,512,880

At present the US is experiencing a 1.12% increase in overall mortality rates for 2020- not good- pandemicky numbers to be sure.

However, last year, 2019, there was also a 1.12% increase. Did we miss a pandemic in 2019?

But wait it’s even "scarier"- 2018 saw a 1.22% increase in mortality rates, 2017 saw a 1.24% increase, 2016 1.27% increase, 2015 1.27% increase, 2014 1.29% increase- all exceeding 2020’s increase in mortality rate- so does this mean we have had pandemics for the last 7 years?

Does this indicate non-stop pandemics every year for the last 7 years and we just weren’t paying attention and didn’t have an 'honest" media to keep us pinned to our beds in a proper state of fear?

And BTW 2013 all the way back to 2009 all showed .09% increases in mortality rates- don’t know where the cutoff is but certainly even these years were “pandemic like” if you feel this year was truly a pandemic.

It isn’t until we go back to the year 2008 that we see a decrease in overall mortality rates in the US. For 20 straight years there were decreases in mortality rates and then in 2009 this changed- since then we have had an increase in mortality rates. Why is that? Could this point to the 2008 economic recession as being the leading indicator rather than some supernatural viral entity? Possibly equating to an increase in population, births, immigration, illegal or otherwise? Year over year population growth rates since 2000 have vacillated between .59% and 1.22%. Wouldn't we expect the death rate to grow with the population? Maybe it's because of many baby boomers moving on to their great reward, one way or another? Maybe it's just more fat people dying?

In reality, this year at present seems to be no different in overall mortality rates compared to last year and less of an increase than 5 of the 6 the preceding years. How is this possible during a “pandemic of biblical proportions?”

It's always important to look at the rates (populations are increasing and rates vary) and overall trends to get a clear picture.

It's also been obvious since April that how death certificates are filed have been dramatically altered (first time in history) to give liberal interpretations to "Covid" as being cause of death- and let's not forget that PCR tests at greater than 35 cycles (as is the case in virtually every lab in the US/Europe) produce massive false positives that cannot distinguish between the COVID coronavirus and other coronavirus'. Let alone that the inventor of said PCR test said that any cycles over 30 were worthless. This article illustrates indeed that past deaths caused by heart disease are now obviously getting lumped into the catch-all "Covid" category.

Oh and BTW the WHO, that bastion of truth, changed it's definition of what IS a Pandemic in 2009- might want to look into how and why that was done.

Has anyone visited the Social Security Administration to ascertain if death benefits have increased significantly since the beginning of this scamdemic? There are many liars and charlatans promoting the scam, however, since the Social Security Administration has oversight, on what seems a daily basis, directly from Congress, and nearly every financial reporter and the AARP, I seriously doubt they would be fudging their numbers.

Of course, also, if there were such truly massive increases in deaths, wouldn't those companies that manufacture coffins, operate funeral homes, crematoriums, etc., be going parabolic in their stock prices. Wouldn't Warren Buffet be buying these businesses and the financial markets be praising him, more so, for his foresight and genius? For giggles, did a quick lookie see at Hillenbrand Inc., the parent company of Batesville Casket Company. On January 1, 2020, their stock price was $33.60. Today? At pre-market opening, $38.65. However, on June 30, 2019, their stock price was $39.98. Ummm. Not to sure if the scamdemic is properly priced in. Maybe it's because they have sooo much competition? Unlikely, since as of 2019 Batesville had a 47% market share. Aka, the big boy on the block.

So at the end of the year if there is a small increase in the total deaths in this country, there needs to be a breakdown on year over year of the 2 main killers. Heart disease & cancer.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Why would the rate increase
If there are more people living there will be more people dying.
We all have to go sometime.
If the living population increases, it stand to reason when they die , there will be more people dying.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
If there are more people living there will be more people dying.
We all have to go sometime.
If the living population increases, it stand to reason when they die , there will be more people dying.
Yes, but the rate doesn't change, only total numbers.
If 1 out of 10 people die, that a 10% rate.
If 10 out of 100 die, it's still a 10% rate.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Yes, but the rate doesn't change, only total numbers.
If 1 out of 10 people die, that a 10% rate.
If 10 out of 100 die, it's still a 10% rate.
I stand corrected, But the article by light Roasted was about the number of deaths in a year. and not the rate.
The rate was mentioned and stated that the rates did not increase immensely.

My statement that more people living will mean that more people die is still correct.
 

rmorse

Well-Known Member
I stand corrected, But the article by light Roasted was about the number of deaths in a year. and not the rate.
The rate was mentioned and stated that the rates did not increase immensely.

My statement that more people living will mean that more people die is still correct.
Yes, more people living means more people dying but not a change in rate, as he pointed out. I wasn’t trying to do a “got you”; I was trying to see if I was missing something.
 
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