Judge upholds CT gun laws

justiceforall

New Member
Lame , lame.

You got your answer.
As did you. You may say lame all you like. I am not the person crying about violations of the constitution while advocating that the constitution be violated. That is YOU! You only want the courts to intepret that jurisdictions can pass regulations you like, but when you don't like the regulations it is a violation of your rights. Boo freaking hoo.

By the way, I'm exempt. I can carry all the time in any state. HR 218. Thank you George Bush.
 

BigBlue

New Member
And you know nothing about constitutional rights; except that you believe they aren't really rights, they're just a bunch of suggestions that certain people (like you) can tell every American how they can and can't exercise those rights.

So you believe the Constitution should not grow or change to adjust to the country as it grows or changes and the writers of it could foresee all the development in weapons an such so it is not a living thing and so the constitution should never ever change ,is that what you are saying ?
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Of course that is not what he is saying. If you ever actually ready the Constitution, you would understand how the framers included and very specifically defined the ability and necessary procedures to AMEND it. But short of that, no..it cannot be changed.

You ever post up anything that specifically showed how the new gun laws would actually improve public safety? No? Didn't think so.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Since you have mis-represented what I have said, let me ask you a few questions so I don't do the same.

So you come on here and rant and rave about constitutional protections.

I, admittedly don't know your views so let me ask.

Do you think it is unconstitutional to have a law where someone who is mentally ill can't posses a firearm? Do you think it is unconstitutional where a convicted violent felonious criminal can't posses a firearm? Do you think it's unconstitutional to pass a law which restricts me from buying multiple guns and giving them to convicted criminals.
So, you answer my questions with more questions.

I do not want the mentally ill possessing firearms. I don’t not want violent criminals possessing firearms. Constitutionally speaking, criminals lose their rights. I’m on the fence about after they’ve served their time. Me handing off firearms to someone else is not at issue here. Criminals don’t need me to hand them weapons since they’ll find them in any way they can anyway.

I do not think the answer to that is to ban firearms to everyone and make it virtually impossible to obtain the firearms that are still legal. Either the ‘shall not be infringed’ clause means something or it doesn’t.

Will you please answer for me, what is the purpose of banning firearms? What is the purpose of limiting magazine capacity? What is the purpose of making me get a license for a handgun? What is our government really trying to accomplish? Do you really believe any of this solves the problem of bad people getting guns in their hands?
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Will you please answer for me, what is the purpose of banning firearms? What is the purpose of limiting magazine capacity? What is the purpose of making me get a license for a handgun? What is our government really trying to accomplish? Do you really believe any of this solves the problem of bad people getting guns in their hands?
Why is it that those questions are never answered by those that advocate for the various bans and restrictions...the increasing number of infringements. The basic tenet of the gun ban movement is that they need to act incrementally to achieve their ultimate objective. Fortunately, in roughly 40 states, gun control measures are out of the question and the legislation that IS being passed is to increase the number of people who can carry and the places they can do so.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
So you believe the Constitution should not grow or change to adjust to the country as it grows or changes and the writers of it could foresee all the development in weapons an such so it is not a living thing and so the constitution should never ever change ,is that what you are saying ?
There is a process for CHANGING the constitution. I don’t know what you mean by ‘growing’ the constitution. If guns are as bad as you anti-gun people are making them out to be then it should be pretty easy to amend the 2nd. It doesn’t matter what the founders could foresee, the 2nd still exists as it was written and the constitution demands if you want to change that, amend it.

I will try with you… What do you really believe these laws to accomplish? Do you really think any of them will keep guns out of the hands of the bad guys? Don’t you realize the only people that will abide by these laws are law-abiding citizens; those who wouldn’t use their guns illegally in the first place?

You want to deal with this problem, deal with the crime, not the object (the gun). If we had swift, harsh penalties for people that commit gun crimes I think that would go a lot farther in reducing these crimes. But they will never be prevented; not with any sort of gun control.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Why is it that those questions are never answered by those that advocate for the various bans and restrictions...the increasing number of infringements. The basic tenet of the gun ban movement is that they need to act incrementally to achieve their ultimate objective. Fortunately, in roughly 40 states, gun control measures are out of the question and the legislation that IS being passed is to increase the number of people who can carry and the places they can do so.
What’s worse is they don’t realize why the 2nd was put there. The founders knew government is dangerous. They knew that if the people don’t have the power to control government liberty dies. Keeping you r guns isn’t the definition of liberty. Keeping your guns guarantees the people can fend off a government that aims to strip us of our liberties. I just don’t understand why this is so hard to understand. But not until it happens and BB and others will regret what they are wishing for.

Oh, but that’ll never happen in America. :ohwell:
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
But it is not ,and as for your example I can not scream fire in a packed movie house ,so yes my speech is restricted ,I can not use hateful speech to insight a riot ,correct?
Actually ANYBODY can scream fire in a theater.. they do nothing to prevent you from doing so.

Your comparison would insinuate that upon entering a theater you must put on a.muzzle so you CAN'T yell fire..

I've been to the movies quite a bit, no muzzle... no restriction on my 1st amendment rights.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
No. Is someone taking everyones guns away? I thought the District V. Heller and Chicago V. McDonald results said the opposite of what you are saying. I don't think you know what you are talking about.
Little by little they ARE taking guns away... we NEVER go the other way, restoring rights, so they can continue to nibble away and sooner or later, no more ways for citizens to protect themselves..Their property... or their familes.. we can see how well this works in inner cities..
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
As did you. You may say lame all you like. I am not the person crying about violations of the constitution while advocating that the constitution be violated. That is YOU! You only want the courts to intepret that jurisdictions can pass regulations you like, but when you don't like the regulations it is a violation of your rights. Boo freaking hoo.

By the way, I'm exempt. I can carry all the time in any state. HR 218. Thank you George Bush.
I understand you better now. You are a member of the fraternity that doesn't have to obey gun laws.
You only want to take away the rights of the rest of us.

You are still lame, your questions are lame. You don't worry about restrictions because you don't have to obey them. That makes you even more lame.

You have "Special" status, so the hell with everyone else.

Then you have the balls to say Justice for all. Lame.
 

Inkd

Active Member
I have a question for you. Should people who are diagnosed schizophrenics, mentally retarded, and those who are convicted of armed robbery be able to buy firearms?
Question 11.C and 11.F on the from 4473 addresses those specific questions. If you answer yes to any of the questions in section 11 you are not legally permitted to buy a firearm.

So, there are laws on the books addressing those very questions. Why do we need more laws and restrictions passed when the ones already on the books are already under enforced.
 

Inkd

Active Member
So you believe the Constitution should not grow or change to adjust to the country as it grows or changes and the writers of it could foresee all the development in weapons an such so it is not a living thing and so the constitution should never ever change ,is that what you are saying ?
Should the 1st amendment be modified be modified because the founding father couldn't foresee things like the internet?

As has already been said, there are procedures in place to amend the constitution, let those procedures work the way the founding fathers intended.
 

Inkd

Active Member
Let me ask you this... If one kid decided to use his pencil to stab someone, do you take away everyone's pencil for fear that all of them might stab someone?
Even better, and I've used this example on this and other forums and never seem to get a proper answer.

Why don't all cars have breathalyzers installed in them so everyone has to blow before they can start their car? Who cares if you don't drink? Odds are death by vehicles are just as plentiful as firearms.

Just last week I believe it was. At the festival in Austin, Texas a drunk driver who stole a car and lead police on a chase plowed into a group and killed two people, one of whom I believe was a tourist.

If that car had a breathalyzer machine installed this never would have happened.

Who cares if you don't drink and drive, it's for the greater good and safety of everyone. Your rights are not being infringed upon. Hell, even your PRIVELEGE of driving a car is not being infringed upon. No one is saying you can't drive, you just have to blow in a tube first.
 
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Inkd

Active Member
Let me ask you this... If one kid decided to use his pencil to stab someone, do you take away everyone's pencil for fear that all of them might stab someone?
Even better, and I've used this example on this and other forums and never seem to get a proper answer.

Why don't all cars have breathalyzers installed in them so everyone has to blow before they can start their car? Who cares if you don't drink? Odds are death by vehicles are just as plentiful as firearms.

Just last week I believe it was. At the festival in Austin, Texas a drunk driver who stole a car and lead police on a chase plowed into a group of people and killed 2 people, one of whom I believe was a tourist.

If that can had a breathalyzer machine installed this never would have happened.

Who cares if you don't drink and drive, it's for the greater good and safety of everyone. Your rights are not being infringed upon. Hell, even your PRIVELEGE of driving a car is not being infringed upon. No one is saying you can't drive, you just have to blow in a tube first.
 

nutz

Well-Known Member
Even better, and I've used this example on this and other forums and never seem to get a proper answer.

Why don't all cars have breathalyzers installed in them so everyone has to blow before they can start their car? Who cares if you don't drink? Odds are death by vehicles are just as plentiful as firearms.

Just last week I believe it was. At the festival in Austin, Texas a drunk driver who stole a car and lead police on a chase plowed into a group and killed two people, one of whom I believe was a tourist.

If that car had a breathalyzer machine installed this never would have happened.

Who cares if you don't drink and drive, it's for the greater good and safety of everyone. Your rights are not being infringed upon. Hell, even your PRIVELEGE of driving a car is not being infringed upon. No one is saying you can't drive, you just have to blow in a tube first.
That's easy to answer. The worst offenders are exempt from the rules. How many times does flashing a badge get one out of _______ all in the spirit of cooperation and brotherhood. How many times are politicians and "diplomats" pulled over and waved off because of their status? And yet, each and every one of these people are eligible to possess a firearm. The average citizen, oh hell no, you need to fill out this form and meet this board, stand on one foot, touch your nose and then say "pretty please, may I" :strangle:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Even better, and I've used this example on this and other forums and never seem to get a proper answer.

Why don't all cars have breathalyzers installed in them so everyone has to blow before they can start their car? Who cares if you don't drink? Odds are death by vehicles are just as plentiful as firearms.

Just last week I believe it was. At the festival in Austin, Texas a drunk driver who stole a car and lead police on a chase plowed into a group and killed two people, one of whom I believe was a tourist.

If that car had a breathalyzer machine installed this never would have happened.

Who cares if you don't drink and drive, it's for the greater good and safety of everyone. Your rights are not being infringed upon. Hell, even your PRIVELEGE of driving a car is not being infringed upon. No one is saying you can't drive, you just have to blow in a tube first.
Not that I would remotely argue for such a thing, but it would prevent drunk drivers from getting on the road. Of course people will find ways to disable it. So nothing is full-proof. But all the gun control laws out there, none have prevented gun crimes. None have even reduced gun crimes. It’s been used often enough… Chicago has extremely strict gun laws. They have a huge problem with gun crimes. Why is that? Because the people that would actually obey the law are left unarmed to defend themselves and criminals know this. It’s like shooting fish in a bucket. I also like to use the analogy… If a criminal had to choose between two houses to rob – one had a sign that read “This house is armed” and the other read “we do not believe in guns”; which house do you think the robber will rob? Do I need an AR with a 30 round clip to defend my home? If the robber has an AR with a 30 round clip I’d say yes. Do I need a 9mm with a 15 round clip? If the robber has a semi-auto pistol with a 15 round clip, most definitely. I not only want to be equally armed to those that want to harm me, I want to be superiorly armed. And the same is true to the true intent of the 2nd. I don’t only want to be armed in order to take back our country from tyranny, I want to be superiorly armed to any military/police force that government could use against me. THAT is the intent of the 2nd. Not that times have changed. Not that the 2nd was written 230 years ago and isn’t relevant today; but that THE PEOPLE have the power and ability to defend their the liberties that inherently belong to them. In the name of feel-good safety that can never be achieved this concept is lost; that is, until these anti-gun people are faced with the prospect of having to defend themselves.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

... no mention of mental case
... no restrictions of the types of weapons - if you could afford it - you could buy it ..... before you ask, can you afford a Nuclear Weapon ?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Why is it that those questions are never answered by those that advocate for the various bans and restrictions...the increasing number of infringements. The basic tenet of the gun ban movement is that they need to act incrementally to achieve their ultimate objective. Fortunately, in roughly 40 states, gun control measures are out of the question and the legislation that IS being passed is to increase the number of people who can carry and the places they can do so.



:yay:
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
What’s worse is they don’t realize why the 2nd was put there.
- They Do Not Care - GUNS are Scary ... you could easily kill someone, 'people' should not have that power - people cannot be trusted


The founders knew government is dangerous.

They knew that if the people don’t have the power to control government liberty dies.

Keeping your guns guarantees the people can fend off a government that aims to strip us of our liberties.
- But We Have Evolved - Progressives are Enlightened that would never happen again - if we could only BAN Firearms

Oh, but that’ll never happen in America. :ohwell:
from Liberal Fascism

Woodrow Wilson and the Birth of Liberal Fascism

The irony, of course, is that it did happen here, and Lewis virtually admits as much. In the same scene
Jessup unleashes a gassy tirade about how America is ripe for a fascist takeover. His argument hinges on what
happened in America during and immediately after World War I:

Why, there's no country in the world that can get more hysterical - yes, or more obsequious! - than America...Remember our war hysteria, when we called sauerkraut "Liberty cabbage" and somebody actually proposed calling German measles "Liberty measles"? And wartime censorship of honest papers? Bad as Russia!...Remember our Red scares and our Catholic scares...Prohibition - shooting down people just because they might be transporting liquor - no, that couldn't happen in America! Why, where in all history has there ever been a people so ripe for a dictatorship as ours!

Lewis undersold his case. The period of liberty cabbage, wartime censorship, and propaganda wasn't an example of how America might someday be ripe for fascism. It was an example of how America had actually endured a fascistic dictatorship. If the events that transpired during and immediately after World War I occurred today in any Western nation, few educated people would fail to recognize it for what it was. Indeed, a great many educated people have convinced themselves that America under George W. Bush has nearly become "a thinly veiled military dictatorship," in the words of the writer Andrew Sullivan. The liberty cabbage, the state-sanctioned brutality, the stifling of dissent, the loyalty oaths and enemies lists - all of these things not only happened in America but happened at the hands of liberals. Self-described progressives - as well as the majority of American socialists - were at the forefront of the push for a truly totalitarian state. They applauded every crackdown and questioned the patriotism, intelligence, and decency of every pacifist and classically liberal dissenter.

Fascism, at its core, is the view that every nook and cranny of society should work together in spiritual union toward the same goals overseen by the state. "Everything in the State, nothing outside the State," is how Mussolini defined it. Mussolini coined the word "totalitarian" to describe not a tyrannical society but a humane one in which everyone is taken care of and contributes equally. It was an organic concept where every class, every individual, was part of the larger whole. The militarization of society and politics was considered simply the best available means toward this end. Call it what you like - progressivism, fascism, communism, or totalitarianism - -the first true enterprise of this kind was established not in Russia or Italy or Germany but in the United States, and Woodrow Wilson was the twentieth century's first fascist dictator.

This claim may sound outrageous on its face, but consider the evidence. More dissidents were arrested or jailed in a few years under Wilson than under Mussolini during the entire 1920s. Wilson arguably did as much if not more violence to civil liberties in his last three years in office than Mussolini did in his first twelve. Wilson created a better and more effective propaganda ministry than Mussolini ever had. In the 1920s Mussolini's critics harangued him - rightly - for using his semiofficial Fascisti to bully the opposition and for his harassment of the press. Just a few years earlier, Wilson had unleashed literally hundreds of thousands of badge-carrying goons on the American people and prosecuted a vicious campaign against the press that would have made Mussolini envious.
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