Just got out of the ARM trap

Lamini

Member
I thought from the day I bought my house I had a fixed rate. A few months later I even paid down the interest for several thousand dollars. Then about May 2007 I get a notice from my mortgage company warning me about a increase in my mortgage interest rate. I literally laughed and thought it was some company trying to get my money. I couldnt have been more wrong. They immediately faxed me the document I signed that showed my signature on a document i signed when I bought the house about an ARM adjustment after 2years.

I attempted to refinance, but my rate jumped up before I knew it, my first mortgage alone went up over $1400 per month. That was in July 2007. Since that month, I have went through dozens of mortgage companies. I even worked at a local store fixing computers for several months working 35hrs/week there on top of my full career for $8/hr, and started working other at home jobs to make ends meet. my credit score dove from near 700 to high 500s in 2 months! I learned that "its not all about your credit score, its more with your debt to income ratio", DTI. Eventually, the companies I called would just straight up ask, "ok, lets cut to the chase, what was the DTI you got from your last company?"... and I would say, 59%. And if they didnt hang up, the kindly told me "highest we do is 40%", or 45%. Very few would do any higher.

This is when I realized why it was called the "ARM trap". Your credit score plunges. Your DTI of course takes a dump, of course. It seemed that no one could understand that "well, of course my DTI jumped, yours would too if you had to pay additional $1400 in fees per month."

Well, I had only a handful of companies that actually REALLY tried to help. Very optimistic. And after a few weeks, or a month, at the end it was a "I tried, your DTI is too high". The funniest being "ok, good news! all you have to do is fax me a document stating when you start your next better job or when you get your pay raise." And the guy before him was so optimistic he told me to pay for the appraisal as he was so sure to refinance me... I wasted $350, he failed.

At the end, right before my fee would get raised another $200, someone finally came through. to my surprise, it was someone local in SoMD. Instead of just refinancing me, he wants to work with me for the next 6months-1yr in helping my financial future. But as he found earlier when he pulled my credit report, I did not have any major financial problems. "Youre more into your finances than most of my clients". I never been late, never missed a payment. The only thing was high credit card balances ( I was using them to pay bills as I simply couldnt without them). It was the sharp increase of the mortgage alone that killed my score and drove my DTI so high that no one would take a risk on me.

If youre still looking for someone to help you get out of the "ARM trap", keep your head up, and keep calling around, theres someone out there that can help. I have been able to sleep at night better since I got help. I was worried 24/7, as anyone would... $1400 fee every month is no joke. I literally would come home every day from work and be on the phone until 10-11pm talking with a loan officer or underwriter. My wife no longer has to spend her day away from the little ones trying to make money from home. Im not on the phone while theyre eating dinner anymore.
 

thejteam

New Member
And I think the real lesson is to NEVER try to save a couple of hundred dollars by using the mortgage company's settlement attorney. Or even worse, a notary public at your door. Shell out the money for your own lawyer. They WILL tell you if your mortgage will adjust.
 

crpc

New Member
the math doesn't seem right here. Even in the sub-prime mess---there was a cap to how much the mortgage could adjust up the first year. Even if you adjusted up 3 points--your loan would have had to have been over 485k to go up 1400 dollars.

With a 700 credit score---why would you have been in such a nasty arm?

If you just got out the the crazy loan--and are just happy to share the news---good for you. :yahoo:Maybe keep the job a bit longer and take that 1400 a month and pay down your debt and restock your ESF.

If you are trying to get PMs to get business or referrals---and the story isn't quite "true"....shame on you.:mad:
 
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crabcake

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:yeahthat: It's not a trap at all. Why do people sign things so important without so much as reading it? :faint:

I know of a small handful of people who've supposedly been "swindled" into an ARM unbeknownst to them. :drama:

In reality, they took that option because it was their only option due to credit problems. But when they didn't refinance into a fixed rate (usually because they didn't do what they were supposed to during the ARM period and actually repair their credit to get the fixed rate at the end of the ARM), they went crying about how they were lied to, cheated, wronged, etc. And now they expect everyone and their cousin to bail them out of their self-made financial ruin.

Remember back when I posted the idea of requiring people to obtain a license before procreating? Apparently (some) people need to obtain a Life License supplemented by a couple of semesters of Common Sense 101, as well. :ohwell: Those of us who actually take the time to learn about how things like this work can smell the whiney, "poor swindled me" :bs: a mile away. :ohwell:
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
I didn't think anyone got ARMs anymore - you can't pick up a real estate Sunday supplement without seeing a story on how badly you can get screwed on an adjustable rate. I always find it shocking when people make a major purchase without doing their homework.

Plus, didn't interest rates just go down?
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Yep.

There are some advertising as low as 4.875 Fixed now.

If the slow down lasts a tiny bit longer it might reach 4.75 or less.... Then :whoooooohoooooo:
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Yep.

There are some advertising as low as 4.875 Fixed now.

If the slow down lasts a tiny bit longer it might reach 4.75 or less.... Then :whoooooohoooooo:

I'm taking mine from 7.25% to 5.5% next week. :yahoo:
 

refi-rep

New Member
the math doesn't seem right here. Even in the sub-prime mess---there was a cap to how much the mortgage could adjust up the first year. Even if you adjusted up 3 points--your loan would have had to have been over 485k to go up 1400 dollars.

With a 700 credit score---why would you have been in such a nasty arm?

If you just got out the the crazy loan--and are just happy to share the news---good for you. :yahoo:Maybe keep the job a bit longer and take that 1400 a month and pay down your debt and restock your ESF.

If you are trying to get PMs to get business or referrals---and the story isn't quite "true"....shame on you.:mad:

Yeah the numbers dont make much sense to me either, however if this is a true story, im glad things worked out at the end.
 

Mikeinsmd

New Member
:yeahthat: It's not a trap at all. Why do people sign things so important without so much as reading it? :faint:
Just got out of the ARM... 02-01-2008 11:38 PM What's the problem Mike? No real estate worries in these parts huh?
Patchy/somdrenter checking in...:killingme

Ummm.... I know of no realestate worries :loser: In fact, I'm wonderful!!

Wanna hear again how my house will be paid off in less tha 6 yrs and I can sock that payment into a fat savings acct. or investment?? Well do ya?? :killingme

You see, I locked into a FIXED rate for 15 yrs in 98 because I'm smart like that. :killingme

Oh did I mention that I did my taxes last night and wrote off mortgage interest, and realestate taxes?? $5K refund coming my way. :killingme

Hey renter boy, it's the 1st of the month. RENT is due!! Don't be late and fudge up your credit worse than it is now. :killingme
 
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crabcake

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I didn't think anyone got ARMs anymore - you can't pick up a real estate Sunday supplement without seeing a story on how badly you can get screwed on an adjustable rate. I always find it shocking when people make a major purchase without doing their homework.

Plus, didn't interest rates just go down?

The ONLY reason I can see doing an ARM (unless you're credit score is on the lower end and you are disciplined enough to repair it during your ARM period and refi to a fixed rate at the end) is if you are 100% certain you won't be staying in the house for more than 7 years, in which case, you can get a lower interest rate ARM 5 or 7 years ... then I can see it maybe working out more beneficial for the buyer.

Like I said earlier, I think most of the people biatching about their ARMs (especially those who say "I didn't know it was an ARM :liar:") just had to buy a house and didn't care what they signed. But now they're paying the price for it.

But at the same time, I don't feel bad for the mortgage companies who have these loans defaulting all over the place. They created these fancy financing options for buyers, claiming to "help them achieve the American Dream", all the while they're lining their pockets with the interest revenue. They essentially took the risk of lowering their qualifying standards with these tools, and just like the buyers, they, too are paying the price.

It all amounts to a bunch of dummies getting what they deserved, IMO, and I don't really feel sorry for any of 'em. :shrug:
 
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Lamini

Member
I'm taking mine from 7.25% to 5.5% next week. :yahoo:

congratulations

I was going to buy down my interest from 6.125% to 6% on this refi, but the loan officer suggested that instead of paying $,$$$ to buy it down, we're gonna pay off the credit cards with the tax return which should get me back to 700+ range. somewhere in his formulas I should be able to get into 720s after cards are paid off, which according to equifax should get me 5.5%. *crosses fingers*
 

refi-rep

New Member
congratulations

I was going to buy down my interest from 6.125% to 6% on this refi, but the loan officer suggested that instead of paying $,$$$ to buy it down, we're gonna pay off the credit cards with the tax return which should get me back to 700+ range. somewhere in his formulas I should be able to get into 720s after cards are paid off, which according to equifax should get me 5.5%. *crosses fingers*

A word of advice, be careful on that formula and ask for everything in writing before signing the date let alone your name.
 

crabcake

But wait, there's more...
Just got out of the ARM... 02-01-2008 11:38 PM What's the problem Mike? No real estate worries in these parts huh?
Patchy/somdrenter checking in...:killingme

Ummm.... I know of no realestate worries :loser: In fact, I'm wonderful!!

Wanna hear again how my house will be paid off in less tha 6 yrs and I can sock that payment into a fat savings acct. or investment?? Well do ya?? :killingme

You see, I locked into a FIXED rate for 15 yrs in 98 because I'm smart like that. :killingme

Oh did I mention that I did my taxes last night and wrote off mortgage interest, and realestate taxes?? $5K refund coming my way. :killingme

Hey renter boy, it's the 1st of the month. RENT is due!! Don't be late and fudge up your credit worse than it is now. :killingme

:high5: :lmao: Good on ya, Mikey! When I finished my taxes the other night and looked 'em over, it was amazing to see how much deductions like mortgage interest and property taxes reduce your taxable income. The child care deductions were a drop in the bucket compared to the others. :yay:
 

Lamini

Member
So wouldn't that mean that our thread-starter's rate would go *down*, not up?

I think this story is a bunch of bull.

heres what I heard at work. When the feds lower the rates, it has nothing to do with the mortgage interest rates, or has very little to do with it. that rate has to do with a 10 year bond. ie, the 10year bond rate is identical to mortgage interest rate (?), (this is what i was told). what that suggests is by lowering the national rate, it makes the bond stronger which increases the mortgage rates.

maybe someone in this type of business can make this clear
 

refi-rep

New Member
heres what I heard at work. When the feds lower the rates, it has nothing to do with the mortgage interest rates, or has very little to do with it. that rate has to do with a 10 year bond. ie, the 10year bond rate is identical to mortgage interest rate (?), (this is what i was told). what that suggests is by lowering the national rate, it makes the bond stronger which increases the mortgage rates.

:shocked::nono: I love the experts :lmao:
 
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