Just some questions

bohman

Well-Known Member
Hi all,

I've lurked about here long enough (yeah, I admit it, I lurked) to know that the religion forum isn't the usual place to introduce yourself and say hi, but some of the posts here are the ones that interested me enough to sign on in the first place. So I figured I'd jump straight into the fire, so to speak, and ask some questions.

There have been a bunch of posts about the evolution/creationism/intelligent design issue, and course it's kind of in the news in general. Seems like people are fairly polarized on the issue - either you believe in evolution, or you believe that God (in whatever form) created the world and life, and the two ideas are mutually exclusive. My main question is: why do those ideas need to be exclusive?

My own belief is simply that evolution is the tool used by God to create life. For the record, I do believe in God, and was raised a Christian. But I've taken enough science and biology courses to have seen the evidence for evolution, and it's VERY difficult for me to think that evolution doesn't exist when scientific observation shows it so clearly. But those classes, and my belief in the function of evolution, never damaged my faith in God or my belief that God created life. In fact, just the opposite happened. I feel like I've been privileged to witness a little piece of how God worked. Does anybody else feel the same, or am I all alone on this one?

And some questions for 2A. Now, don't worry, I'm not here to pick a fight. Having read through this forum, I've seen a few other newbies coming here gunning for you; I have no intention of doing the same. Just a few things you've written brought up some questions for me. In another thread addressing evolution (I forget which one), you said that God created the universe mature in every way. Were you speaking just of the physical universe, planets, stars, etc., or of life in general? It just seems like that implies that people will never mature or improve beyond the way that we are living now. I wonder about our ability to understand our own biology and that of all other living things. Wouldn't all of our other technical achievements over the centuries indicate that we have some potential to understand biology? Is it possible to discover information that is not explicitly provided to us by the Bible?

Anyway, I know this is kind of rambling and unfocused, but thanks for letting me wonder aloud about a few things. Have a good weekend, everybody. :peace:
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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bohman said:
My own belief is simply that evolution is the tool used by God to create life.
See, I've never thought that Christianity and evolution had to be mutually exclusive either.

Welcome to the forums!
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Have to agree, it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. Evolution is a fact, I think that the misunderstanding is that currently human evolution is still a theory and probably will remain so. There is tons of evidence to support it, but no real way to prove it. The hue and cry for evolution to cease to be taught in school is ridiculous. First and foremost, you would be denying knowledge to children that they will need in college. Secondly, if you stop teaching one theory, then you have to stop teaching them all like string theory or chaos theory. It is possible to learn something without losing your beliefs. For example, I personally don't believe in a god, but in studying history I study religions, have read the Bible, Book of Mormon, parts of the Quaran, and the Bagavahd Gita and it hasn't changed my beliefs.
 

PJay

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Hi and welcome, bohman.


My main question is: why do those ideas need to be exclusive?

Because one a waste of sweet precious time.

I feel like I've been privileged to witness a little piece of how God worked. Does anybody else feel the same, or am I all alone on this one?

I feel if God had wanted us to know how He created ALL He would've left us the blueprint. The God I believe in does not wish me to be trying to figure it all out. He has made it clear on how my time on this earth is to be spent. We are not to question or figure out the hows, whys and why nots. You say you are a Christian, if you truly are, you should already know this.
 

PJay

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Do you recall the names of the two trees in the garden of Eden? How about what God said not to do. What happened? Read in the beginning again. Your answer is there.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
He created the trees, he created the fruit and he created the knowledge.
Adam and Eve had to partake of the fruit, or they would not have been able to fulfill God's other commands.
"28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. "

Without the knowledge that the fruit of the tree had given them, they would not have been fruitfull and multiplied.
 

PJay

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How I read it God had forbidden them from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. The serpent tempted Eve into eating of the Fruit of Knowledge by promising they would become as wise and powerful as God.
 

PJay

Well-Known Member
Bustem', if you will post me a list of what you need to live on this earth. Really think about it. I have to go for awhile now, hope you have a good day.
 

Jambalaya

SpicyHot
Homesick, The first four books of the Bible were written by Moses, a man who talked with God. When God wrote things down, it was written in stone.
 

bohman

Well-Known Member
Homesick said:
The God I believe in does not wish me to be trying to figure it all out.

I have to admit that I don't have any clear idea of how much and what information we are supposed to have, how much God wants us to know. I think what really matters is not the possession of knowledge, but what you do with it. What I believe is that knowledge is a tool like any other - you simply have to be careful how you use it. We can use a hammer to help build a house for someone, or you can hurt somebody with it. If we have an understanding of biology, it should be used to respect life, not damage it. Not always that simple, of course.

I know there's a lot to this that I haven't thought all the way through yet (not to mention that I should give the Bible another read - it's been a while), I just wanted to throw my thoughts out here and see how people felt.

Thanks for the welcome, everybody.
 
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