Kerry and is undying support of the military

Larry Gude

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He apologized for what he said...

FromTexas said:
Is it an apology when you are making an excuse with your apology? :tap:


Of course I'm sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes?" Kerry said during an appearance Wednesday on Don Imus' nationally syndicated radio program. "I mean, you know, it's pretty stupid."
So far, so good.



Kerry, D-Mass., said he meant no offense to troops when he told a college audience Monday that young people might get "stuck in Iraq" if they don't study hard and do their homework.
Sounds like an apology.



On Wednesday, he said, "You cannot get into the military today if you do badly in school."
Not true. You can do pretty bad in school and get in. So, here we go with the elitism crap. You can be a pizz poor student AND get in the military AND be a great soldier, a great leader AND get stuck in Iraq. You can be a genius and get in the military AND get stuck in Iraq.

You can also be a crap student AND get in the military AND get stuck being a crap Senator, voting for a war you don't really support.
 

Kerad

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PsyOps said:
Not sure if this got posted yet.

Kerry's Apology

Is it considered a real apology if the person is pressured into apologizing rather than coming from his own conscience?
When everybody on the planet is screaming for an apology...what should he do? If he doesn't apologize, he's the devil. Now that he's apologized, you have a problem with that....so he's still the devil.

Good thing he's not running for anything this year.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
FromTexas said:
Is it an apology when you are making an excuse with your apology? :tap:
Well, I know I just feel so much better now that he's apologized. That's is what it's all about is feeling better, right? :shrug:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Kerad said:
When everybody on the planet is screaming for an apology...what should he do? If he doesn't apologize, he's the devil. Now that he's apologized, you have a problem with that....so he's still the devil.

Good thing he's not running for anything this year.
Well, gee... now Kerry is in the same spot Bush has been in for over 3 years.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I disagree...

Kerad said:
When everybody on the planet is screaming for an apology...what should he do? If he doesn't apologize, he's the devil. Now that he's apologized, you have a problem with that....so he's still the devil.

Good thing he's not running for anything this year.

...wholeheartedly.

:lmao:
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Nucklesack said:
Already Posted (link), but its still d@mn funny :lmao:





(sorry AK i just wanted to be the first)
Shucks, this thread is moving too fast for me. Should of tried a little harder in school I guess.
 

vraiblonde

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And something else to think about:

If Democrats would vote for Steele because they thought he was a Democrat, wouldn't that mean they're voting purely party and not for the man? And does that negate the claim that Democrats are "educated" voters and of higher intelligence than Republicans?
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Hey Kerad...

Kerad said:
:shrug:

If the Steele Democrat stickers pass your test for honesty and integrity, then so be it. No need for you to concern yourself with the matter further. It doesn't pass my test (or Russert's test, for that matter)...but that really doesn't matter, does it.

As for Kerry...I dounderstand why there was confusion. After hearing their excuse for it, I'm satisfied.

Of course those that are already anti-Kerry are going to pounce on it with both feet. I expect that. With less than a week to go...the Republicans need all the talking points they can get. The Democrats would do the exact same thing if the roles were reversed...no doubt.

And if you are one of those who honestly doesn't think he was talking about the President, and was in fact ripping on the military...well...be outraged, I guess. Call him names. Make fun of him. Don't vote for him.

...seeings how bumper stickers are REAL important as to clarity, whaddya make of this one from a few years back?

"Run, Hillary, run!"

What does it mean???


I can't find a picture just now.
 

LmbyNippleChops

Nannypams son
Policical Bushyness

Bottom line. If Kerry would have said that any other time and made the same "level" of apology (He stated that was not what he ment), it would hve been a 30 second clip on CNN at best. But because he said it during an election time and it touched on something so relevant to MOST americans (and I say most because when XGames is covered more heavily than a WAR. News matters more than importance in country), The Republicans are eating it up as if they were diabetics and Kerry had insolin in his ass.

Now during todays white house speech, if anyone saw it, white house press sectetary Tony Snow came out rather prepared to combat any explanation to Kerrys joke blunder, Dont you think. With written notes on exacially what was said and to go as far as to look up the word "us" for the word that Kerry was looking to put in there seems pretty prepared to say"thanks for the blunder Kerry". Now Republicans know how Democrats have felt for the past 6 years with Bush's endless supply of intro material for the Letterman show.

NOW. to make 1 more piont I think is being overlooked. Tony Snow stated that "The troops are obviously upset". Ok, How did the troops who are involved in combat on a daily basis in a country where you are too busy looking over your shoulder rather than looking at a TV, newspaper, or letter from home(which takes days) finding out this info. Reguardless of where the troops are, home or overseas, The same way they heard about the comment they will hear that it was not directed towards them on purpose. It was towards a more deserving individual. Soldiers know how smart they are on all levels of military occupations. But as a former troop myself. the common joke we had towards foot soldiers was "Strong backs, Weak minds". Now that obviously didn't apply to all of us but as a sort-of amplified goof.

Kerry noted what he said and then said what he wanted to say. If you watch him saying the blunder, you can tell he was putting 2 things together on a whim. Education and political slamming and he goofed. Thats it. When someone bumps into another in a crowded place, does a riot break out?(excluding Camdon NJ). No, you say excuse me and move on. Republicans are making more of this than what it's worth. They are assuming Americans are stupid by expecting us to believe it was meant for Kerry to openly, on TV, in a place of education, #### on American Soldiers in combat.

I dont consider myself a Democrat or Republican. I consider myself a common scence-ocratican. Politics for the best part is corrupt in my opinion but to make a bigger deal out of this is like senior citizens threatening to hit each other with their walkers. It gets your attention but nothing really happens. Most soldiers probibally wouldn't have never heard about this until now anyway. I mean how many people REALLY saw Kerrys speech live anyway?

Now on a more personal note. I don't see how we can "WIN" the war on terror. There is always going to be terrorist in every scence of the word. You can not beat, let alone kill off, a group of people, who's religion is so deep, that they are willing to strap explosives on their backs unless you are willing to do the same or at minimum, take steps with the same level of severity. Now I dont want to come off as someone saying our men and women are dying in vain. It is a worthwile fight and we need to be defended. But America should start comming first. We were attacked and we are going after those responcible. But I think we should concentrate efforts on the head of the snake rather than the tail. Find O.B.L. and how about we don't hand him over to a band of people who are unprepared to handle his capture. Find him and hang him by the jingle bells. I mean now that the CIA doesn't have to answer to geniva convention regulations anymore, Pay-Per-view his execution and give the proceeds to families of the victoms of 9-11. People would subscribe to cable just to have PPV and be able to see it. And it needs to be some other form of execution rather than the ones practiced currently. I mean putting him in a barrel of broken glass and cap nails and rolling him down a hill into a pool of rubbing alcolhol would be a good place to start.

I......Sence I've gone too far
:alkies:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Off to the Senate...

AK-74me said:
Shucks, this thread is moving too fast for me. Should of tried a little harder in school I guess.

...with you where the stuck dopes lay about all day making not apologies!

:lmao:
 

vraiblonde

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PsyOps said:
Well, I know I just feel so much better now that he's apologized. That's is what it's all about is feeling better, right?
You'd be surprised at how many people think an apology should fix everything. :coffee:
 

Fubar

Look my ass glows!
Just in-

Kerad said:
Yeah...okay....Kerry's anti-American.

And what is this?: "he believes those who serve in the military are stupid for going to war in Iraq."

I do think he should have come out and apologized for not making it completely clear what he meant...I agree.
But no...I honestly do not for one second think that he talking about the military when he made that comment. He was talking about the President...and the context surrounding the statement supports that.
Just in-for you Kerad and Kerry fans!
 

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Kerad

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vraiblonde said:
And something else to think about:

If Democrats would vote for Steele because they thought he was a Democrat, wouldn't that mean they're voting purely party and not for the man? And does that negate the claim that Democrats are "educated" voters and of higher intelligence than Republicans?
Who claimed that? If you're insinuating I claimed that...you'd be mistaken.
 

SamSpade

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LmbyNippleChops said:
Now on a more personal note. I don't see how we can "WIN" the war on terror.
We're not fighting a war against every terrorist - we're fighting a war against terrorists with a global reach. A war on global terror, not a global war on terror.

It's the difference between fighting a war against the Mafia - and fighting a war against criminals. The latter, you'll always have. The former, you can take them down. Cut off the heads, and the snake dies.

And you only have to read what's been spoken on the matter from the very beginning. The whole point was not to hunt down every last terrorist with an axe to grind against the U.S. It was to take down these international organizations that have the means, financing and WILL to use weapons of mass destruction. They've sadly been allowed to operate freely in the less civilized areas of the world, training and building. That ends.

And we have to win it. Because it's already been declared AGAINST us. bin Laden has sworn to kill, I think it was something like 30 million Americans. That's his goal. If you think it's nuts to pursue a war against these guys, I think shrugging your shoulders and hoping it'll go away is more crazy.
 

Kerad

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Larry Gude said:
...seeings how bumper stickers are REAL important as to clarity, whaddya make of this one from a few years back?

"Run, Hillary, run!"

What does it mean???


I can't find a picture just now.
Depends who you're talking to. To the Hillary fan...I would think it means they want her to run for President. To your average Republican or Democrat who isn't a Hillary fan, I would think it means she should run for her life, as the Republicans are trying to run her over.

(Of course, this is just guessing. Not having a picture of the bumper sticker is limiting my intellectual superiority...at the moment.)
 

SamSpade

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Kerad said:
Who claimed that? If you're insinuating I claimed that...you'd be mistaken.
I think it's called the "transitive" property.

Claim (or insinuation) Steele PURPOSELY put out stickers to suggest he was a Democrat. Not in the mode of Reagan Democrat, but to muddy the issue.

Claim (or insinuation) Some people would believe he was a Democrat.

Claim (or insinuation) Some people are DUMB and vote party, without regard for anything they could have read if they'd bothered.

So the only way it works for Steele at all is if there are dumb people out there who will vote for the Republican Lt Governor for the Senate, thinking he's really a Democrat, because they vote PARTY.

'Cause it's obvious that if it was meant to claim he was a Democrat, it sure wouldn't win all those stupid GOP voters, now would it?
 

vraiblonde

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Kerad said:
Who claimed that? If you're insinuating I claimed that...you'd be mistaken.
You have issues. I didn't say YOU said it - I merely inquired down the logic path.

IF people might believe that Steele is a Democrat based on those stickers, would that not mean that they're not particularly knowledgeable about him and his political resume?

and

IF they would vote for him based on that belief, would that not mean that they are voting purely for the party and not the man?

and

IF the Democrats are afraid that Steele will get votes based on this, does that not then mean that they are aware that their voters aren't the sharpest pencils in the pack?

Just asking. But I can dumb it down some more for you, if you still can't understand it.
 

SamSpade

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Kerad said:
Depends who you're talking to. To the Hillary fan...I would think it means they want her to run for President. To your average Republican or Democrat who isn't a Hillary fan, I would think it means she should run for her life, as the Republicans are trying to run her over.

(Of course, this is just guessing. Not having a picture of the bumper sticker is limiting my intellectual superiority...at the moment.)
The joke goes - if you're a Democrat, it's on the back of the car; if you're a Republican, it's on the FRONT bumper.

Actually, the FUNNIEST joke I heard back then was a radio spot that made Kerry look like a complete buffoon - describing his injuries as being received legitimately in Cambodia - but in a restaurant. On and on - until the disclaimer at the end saying "my name is Hillary Clinton, and I approve of this message".

Hilarious.
 

Kerad

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vraiblonde said:
You have issues. I didn't say YOU said it - I merely inquired down the logic path.

IF people might believe that Steele is a Democrat based on those stickers, would that not mean that they're not particularly knowledgeable about him and his political resume?

and

IF they would vote for him based on that belief, would that not mean that they are voting purely for the party and not the man?

and

IF the Democrats are afraid that Steele will get votes based on this, does that not then mean that they are aware that their voters aren't the sharpest pencils in the pack?


Exactly my point. following your logic, it would appear that I would be insinuating that Democrats of lesser than average intelligence may vote for Steele based on the bumper sticker. So your post...

If Democrats would vote for Steele because they thought he was a Democrat, wouldn't that mean they're voting purely party and not for the man? And does that negate the claim that Democrats are "educated" voters and of higher intelligence than Republicans?
...refers to a claim ("that Democrats are "educated" voters and of higher intelligence than Republicans)...that was not made...or insinuated. At lest not by myself.


Oh...and I do agree that I have issues. One of them is that I spend way too much time in a forum that leans heavily to the right...steadfastly professing my left-leaning opinions. Futility, defined.
 
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