Kid Free Zones - the next wave after no cell phones??

AMP

Jersey attitude.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/09/national/09bakery.html?8hpib

Child free sections in restaurants? Signs saying "We love children, especially when they are in their seats and behaving" and "Children should remember to use their indoor voices while at XYZ Coffeeshop". High society mothers who are on the trendy kick by having kids feeling threatened by establishments that do this, or litiginous? Wonder what Kelly Ripa would do if her and her yammering/sprawling/disruptive tot were asked to leave a coffeehouse/bakery where patrons retire to read and work and sip?

Not everyone thinks your kid is cute. Not everyone has a darling child that can sit through a dinner/coffee. Take them to McD's if you can't teach them the difference between playground and restaurant. At least until they are older and understand the meaning of a hissed "I will break every bone in your body if you don't sit still." And seriously, those who complain that just because they have kids they can't enjoy these places - how can they enjoy if they are constantly correcting and monitoring? If you are enjoying, you are probably ignoring your unruly child. I am a mother, and I hate when people without kids make rules regarding how I should discipline, but I also know where not to take my child if it will disrupt others. I have walked out of Panera once, and that was a good lesson.

Okay, off my soapbox. Some snippets from the article, if you can't get to it.......
The owner of A Taste of Heaven, Dan McCauley, said he posted the sign - at child level, with playful handprints - in the hope of quieting his tin-ceilinged cafe, where toddlers have been known to sprawl between tables and hurl themselves at display cases for sport.

But many neighborhood mothers took umbrage at the implied criticism of how they handle their children. Soon, whispers of a boycott passed among the playgroups in this North Side neighborhood, once an outpost of avant-garde artists and hip gay couples but now a hot real estate market for young professional families shunning the suburbs.

At Mendo Bistro in Fort Bragg, Calif., the owners declare "Well-behaved children and parents welcome" to try to stop unmonitored youngsters from tap-dancing on the 100-year-old wood floors.

Here in Chicago, parents have denounced Toast, a popular Lincoln Park breakfast spot, as unwelcoming since a note about using inside voices appeared on the menu six months ago. The owner of John's Place, which resembles a kindergarten class at recess in early evening, established a separate "family friendly" room a year ago, only to face parental threats of lawsuits

After a dozen years at one site, Mr. McCauley moved A Taste of Heaven six blocks away in May 2004, to a busy corner on Clark Street. But there, he said, teachers and writers seeking afternoon refuge were drowned out not just by children running amok but also by oblivious cellphone chatterers.

Children were climbing the cafe's poles. A couple were blithely reading the newspaper while their daughter lay on the floor blocking the line for coffee. When the family whose children were running across the room to throw themselves against the display cases left after his admonishment, Mr. McCauley recalled, the restaurant erupted in applause. So he put up the sign. Then things really got ugly.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/09/national/09bakery.html?8hpib
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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Whatever happened to "We reserve the right to refuse service"?

I don't go places that advertise themselves as "family friendly" because I know that is merely code for "bring your evil unruly spawn, then ignore them while they grab food off the plates of other patrons and smear it in their hair".

This is what happens when you give credence to every #####er and complainer that gets a thought in their pea brain. They become empowered and emboldened to see just how far they can inconvenience the rest of the world in their quest for power. This is what happened with smoking bans, and now we'll see it happening with monsters running around in restaurants.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
"I love people who don't have children who tell you how to parent," said Alison Miller, 35, a psychologist, corporate coach and mother of two. "I'd love for him to be responsible for three children for the next year and see if he can control the volume of their voices every minute of the day."

Stick a cork in it, lady. If I can show common courtesy by not taking my screaming child into adult environments, everybody else can, too.
 

CMC122

Go Braves!
I think it's a great idea! We don't go out to eat much and when we do it's usually without the kids. So naturally I don't want to hear anyone else's kids screaming while I'm enjoying the little bit I free time I do get away from my kids:yay:
 

meme

The Smart Hooker
How hard is it for a parent to take their child out of an eating establishment when he/she isn't behaving? Just the other night a family came in and was seated next to us. The 3 year old was throwing food, spoons, forks, and anything else she could get her hands on. Not to mention she was screaming at the top of her lungs and kicking. What did the parents do? The mother put her head down like she didn't know who her kid was and the father said "so and so, we must calm down" and "oh I'm sorry that my daughter threw that fork at you." :dur:
 
I got a kick out of this lady:

"We left, and we haven't been back since," Ms. Cavitt said. "You go to a coffee shop or a bakery for a rest, to relax, and that you would have to worry the whole time about your child doing something that children do - really what they're saying is they don't welcome children, they want the child to behave like an adult."

So she goes to "relax" and "rest" and doesn't want to worry about what her child is up to?? :lmao:
 
vraiblonde said:
Whatever happened to "We reserve the right to refuse service"?...This is what happened with smoking bans, and now we'll see it happening with monsters running around in restaurants.


:yeahthat: And why should restaraunt owners care if parents boycott their establishments? I think there are PLENTY of single people to more than cover any potential losses of revenue. I would probably go to a "No Kids Allowed" restaraunt regaurdless of wether or not I had heard great things about it or not, simply for the face that I would not have to deal with the little hell spawn.
And you bring up an excellent point with the smoking ban as well. Non Smokers do not want to deal with smokers "inconsiderate" second hand smoke. Well now non-breeders are standing up and saying we do not want to deal with the breeders inconsideate behavior by not keeping their kids under control! :peace:
 

AMP

Jersey attitude.
And has anyone noticed lately that kids seem to be the "cool" thing? Up here in NJ you can't get into an Applebee's, Tuesday's, Bennigan's on a Friday, Saturday at 8pm for dinner and drinks because the place is overrun with perfect little families sporting perfect screaming bratty little toddlers and babies, with all the accoutrements. At 8pm, folks. Hire a damn sitter, fer crapsakes. If I see families in the waiting area, I won't even put my name on the list.

Once again, because "everyone" has screaming unbehaved children, I guess that makes it okay for everyone to fall in line.

This just burns me, maybe because I am noticing more of it lately.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
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teverheart2002 said:
"We left, and we haven't been back since," Ms. Cavitt said.
And on behalf of restaurant go-ers everywhere - THANK YOU for leaving and never coming back!

:clap:

Tell your friends! Organize a boycott! A nationwide boycott!!
 

meme

The Smart Hooker
thakidistight said:
:yeahthat: And why should restaraunt owners care if parents boycott their establishments? I think there are PLENTY of single people to more than cover any potential losses of revenue. I would probably go to a "No Kids Allowed" restaraunt regaurdless of wether or not I had heard great things about it or not, simply for the face that I would not have to deal with the little hell spawn.
And you bring up an excellent point with the smoking ban as well. Non Smokers do not want to deal with smokers "inconsiderate" second hand smoke. Well now non-breeders are standing up and saying we do not want to deal with the breeders inconsideate behavior by not keeping their kids under control! :peace:

I would go to a "No Kids Allowed" restaraunt too and I even have kids. There are times you want to eat and actually eat and not have to listen to your kids or someone elses kid screaming. I would never drag my kid out late at night especially on a Friday or Saturday night just to eat. One, it's not fair to the child and two, it's not fair to the rest of the people trying to eat.

I realize kids will be kids and they are loud and don't stay in their seats, but parents need to take more responsibility of their children. Not only in restaraunts but in the damn stores too.

Disclaimer: And to the next kid that throws a fork at me...I'm pregnant and hormonal, I can't promise you I won't throw the fork or knife back at you for that matter.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
AMP said:
And has anyone noticed lately that kids seem to be the "cool" thing? Up here in NJ you can't get into an Applebee's, Tuesday's, Bennigan's on a Friday, Saturday at 8pm for dinner and drinks because the place is overrun with perfect little families sporting perfect screaming bratty little toddlers and babies, with all the accoutrements. At 8pm, folks. Hire a damn sitter, fer crapsakes. If I see families in the waiting area, I won't even put my name on the list.

Once again, because "everyone" has screaming unbehaved children, I guess that makes it okay for everyone to fall in line.

This just burns me, maybe because I am noticing more of it lately.

These places all cater to the family crowd. If you don't want to be around kids, go somewhere a little higher class.
 

sushisamba

Purrrrrrrrrrrrrr
MMDad said:
These places all cater to the family crowd. If you don't want to be around kids, go somewhere a little higher class.
Agreed. Chain restaurants cater to families with kids. At most places in DC, there aren't even special menus for children.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
MMDad said:
These places all cater to the family crowd. If you don't want to be around kids, go somewhere a little higher class.


If the establisment serves booze then it's catering to adults, not children.
 
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