I guess this is what happens when we only have words to express ourselves with, somtimes they lead to confusion. 2nd, I don't have a self esteem problem, I'm kinda of happy with myself. When I said I was not worth it, what I was trying to say, was that I should not be the topic of conversation, that beliefs or one's understandings of life should be the topic of conversation. For instance, my beliefs can be summed up with two words "Be Good", now unless one is some sort of psychopath, there is a basic understanding of what that means. Hopefully my "being good", like respecting you, treating you the same way I would like to be treated, helping you if given the opportunity, letting kindness and compassion be my guide in the things that I do, will not conflict with any of your christian beliefs and we can live in peace with one another. Thankyou, 2nd, for sharing your beliefs, and as I understand it, my attempting to be good is insufficient in your belief system, and that a belief in a higher entity is required. It would appear that is also a point of divergence for us as well. but, one that I hope, would not stop us from getting along with one another.