latino women are "better" than white men

[This_person]

I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life.

Sonia Sotomayor

 

[4mygirls]

As a woman, I find that to be the dumbest statement I have ever heard!!

 

[muttdog]

Im not smart enough to reply to that quote, cause im just a white male.

 

[bcp]

The way I see it is that we have to let her slide on this one.
From my general experience and observations, it is a well known fact that hispanic women are not exactly gifted with large capacity brains.
I suspect she is like all the rest of them and is just ignorant due to genetic reasons.
oh and they are not only stupid but they are loud and obnoxious.

 

[muttdog]

The way I see it is that we have to let her slide on this one.
From my general experience and observations, it is a well known fact that hispanic women are not exactly gifted with large capacity brains.
I suspect she is like all the rest of them and is just ignorant due to genetic reasons.
oh and they are not only stupid but they are loud and obnoxious.

I think some women are gonna and if they find you.

 

[bcp]

I think some women are gonna and if they find you.

its ok, Im only really worried about one of them discovering this BS.

 

[desertrat]

The way I see it is that we have to let her slide on this one.
From my general experience and observations, it is a well known fact that hispanic women are not exactly gifted with large capacity brains.
I suspect she is like all the rest of them and is just ignorant due to genetic reasons.
oh and they are not only stupid but they are loud and obnoxious.

Maybe so, but they can make some damn good tamales.

 

[citizen_fear]

The way I see it is that we have to let her slide on this one.
From my general experience and observations, it is a well known fact that hispanic women are not exactly gifted with large capacity brains.
I suspect she is like all the rest of them and is just ignorant due to genetic reasons.
oh and they are not only stupid but they are loud and obnoxious.

Hmmmm..... I dont know this guy!

 

[This_person]

Your falling into the same trap the GOP fell for during the Obama Presidential run.

Be carefull when you cherry pick, else facts can come back and bite ya in the arse.

Before you throw in a "See she did say it" what was she talking about? She was stating judges can base decisions in part on their racial or ethnic identity.

You can debate the validity of her position but it isn't racist. Sotomayor did not suggest that whites are an inferior race relative to some other group or that they should be denied equal rights or relegated to second-class citizenship.

You cant make fun of Democrats and Liberals who swallow the party line hook and sinker, and then go and do the same thing.

Can you help me understand how she would suppose that a latina woman would make a "better" (note, not "different", but specifically "better") choice than a white man is not suggesting a superiority of either the ethnic status or gender?

There's no doubt she said it, just like so many of Obama's horrifically racist statements. I'm just having trouble understanding his, or her, meaning that you're suggesting is NOT racist (or sexist in this case).

 

[This_person]

Thats where you need to read in context (this isnt the first time we've had this discussion).

She stated that when dealing with cases involving racism (of any kind) she would hope that a person of Minority or Ethnicisty would come to a better conclusion than a White Man. Her contention is the White Man wouldnt have been a victim of racism and thereby wouldnt understand racism.

Thats not a racist statement, no matter how the blowhards make it out.

I am not sure how that is not racist. Does one need to be a rape victim to be able to accurately judge a rape case? This is the whole idea of Blind Justice - blind to both sides of the argument, really. The law needs to be understood and properly applied. By suggesting that a person could better understand or apply the law based on their previous life experience is to suggest that they would see things with a biased eye. Not blind justice. And, therefore, not actually "better", but likely worse if they can't apply the law to the case without the bias.

I'm not suggesting that a latina woman can't be blind to her prejudices and therefore render a fair ruling. I'm suggesting that a latina woman who feels looking at the law through a biased eye, seeing cases through her distorted (by her prejudices) lens, would render a worse ruling than a person of any age, gender, or ethnicity who could view the law unbiasedly.

To suggest that she would render a "better" ruling, specifically better and not just "different", than - specifically again - a white male is patently racist and sexist in that it presupposes that her experiences make her better suited to render a "just" decision than not just anyone who has not had those experiences - but, specifically a white male.

She's not only admitting she would not be unbiased, she's proud of it. That's a really, really, really bad thing for a Supreme Court Justice, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Nonno]

That's a really, really, really bad thing for a Supreme Court Justice, wouldn't you agree?

That's a really bad sentence.

Now read this: Have Sotomayor's critics actually read her Berkeley speech? | Media Matters for America

 

[This_person]

That's a really bad sentence.

Now read this: Have Sotomayor's critics actually read her Berkeley speech? | Media Matters for America

You've already demonstrated to me repeatedly that you have no intent to have an intelligent discussion on this. What would make me want to give you a third chance?

 

[This_person]

According to some its a valid argument:



Wont tell you who said the above, or when.

But, Sam ADDED to that partial quote more:

And so it's my job to apply the law. It's not my job to change the law or to bend the law to achieve any result.​

Unfortunately, Sotomayor believes the opposite of this, based on no clarifying statement to suggest otherwise (as Sam did), and her other statements regarding courts setting policy.

Once again, if the person believes that they're decisions are better than someone of a particular race/gender because of their bias in decision making, doesn't that make them racist/sexist/biased?

 

[This_person]

cuz you like and ¿

:shrug:

I tried very hard to give her a fair chance, repeatedly, on this subject - asking non-leading questions and offering no opinion, just asking for hers.

She joked that her giving an adult opinion by responding something like "good luck with that".

While you and I are not too fond of each other's discussion styles, we can discuss with substance and general respect. Nonno can't do that.

 

[Nonno]

You've already demonstrated to me repeatedly that you have no intent to have an intelligent discussion on this. What would make me want to give you a third chance?

Perhaps because in your heart of hearts you truly believe that some day, some how, you are going to succeed in convincing me that you are exceptionally knowledgeable and are the possessor of an extraordinary intellect, one which exceeds that of all others. And that I, tearfully surrendering to that inevitable conclusion, will banish myself to the suffocating sands of oblivion forever.

 

[This_person]

Perhaps because in your heart of hearts you truly believe that some day, some how, you are going to succeed in convincing me that you are exceptionally knowledgeable and are the possessor of an extraordinary intellect, one which exceeds that of all others. And that I, tearfully surrendering to that inevitable conclusion, will banish myself to the suffocating sands of oblivion forever.

Awfully conceited of you to think I spend ANY of my time thinking about you or your future, little girl.

 

[Nonno]

Awfully conceited of you to think I spend ANY of my time thinking.

:fixed:

 

[This_person]

:fixed:

Keep trying. One day you'll have a clever comeback.

 

[twinoaks207]

Not taking a position on Sotomayor either way because I haven't yet taken the time to research her or the other nominees that were considered.

Just want to throw this one out for consideration:

All people are human, and as such, make decisions based upon their own thoughts, feelings and experiences. Blind justice is a noble goal but the founding fathers were wise enough to realize the judgement of one individual cannot be trusted to always make the best decisions. That's one of the key reasons behind our government being set up the way that it is, with checks and balances. Our Supreme Court has more than one Justice, for very good reasons. The key is to have a balance of beliefs and experiences in order to have "fair" representation of our people --- hence the desire for some diversity on the bench.

And no, I am not going all "reverse racist" on y'all and saying that we should not cosider a white male for the bench. The task is to find the best "fit" to ensure that the bench does not tilt too far in any one direction.

 

[This_person]

Not taking a position on Sotomayor either way because I haven't yet taken the time to research her or the other nominees that were considered.

Just want to throw this one out for consideration:

All people are human, and as such, make decisions based upon their own thoughts, feelings and experiences. Blind justice is a noble goal but the founding fathers were wise enough to realize the judgement of one individual cannot be trusted to always make the best decisions. That's one of the key reasons behind our government being set up the way that it is, with checks and balances. Our Supreme Court has more than one Justice, for very good reasons. The key is to have a balance of beliefs and experiences in order to have "fair" representation of our people --- hence the desire for some diversity on the bench.

And no, I am not going all "reverse racist" on y'all and saying that we should not cosider a white male for the bench. The task is to find the best "fit" to ensure that the bench does not tilt too far in any one direction.

You make a good point, but the goal is still the goal. Meaning, we still try and find people who at least attempt to make their decisions unbiasedly, not brag about how biased they'll be in decision making.