Law and Order.

[hvp05]

I wonder what JPC would sound like in a televised debate with his opponent.

We are going to find out in a couple weeks...

 

[Midnightrider]

Were you not the one that posted
thereby indicating that the vow to God is part of the relationship? Why yes. I think you did.

yes i did, but that has to do with the relationship, and has nothing at all to do with the LAW.The law and religion should remain separate. what it says in the bible should have absolutly no bearing on what laws govern our country.

 

[Too Hot 4u]

As someone pointed out, the punishment for all sin is death, and we are all sinners. Which is certainly true, but that is why God manifested Himself as a man in order to be our Savior. I would have included this before, but I was trying to keep this as a political topic rather than a religious one.

The reason I posted the scriptures on adultery was to show that JPC, Sr. really doesn't understand what he says he understands about the Bible.

Do you really believe there is a GOD and if so why would he need to manifest himself to abolish our sins when all he had to do was just overlook it?

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher.

Make the married couple protected by law? You are assuming every person out there that commits adultery is innocent 'cept for the person outside the marriage?

The person outside the marriage is MORE guilty then the married person. And it is not so much a question of guilt as it is giving real legal and governmental protection to the institution of marriage. If the married person cheats then they are subject to divorce and then society is damaged and so the vested interest of the government is to stop the home wrecker that committed adultery with a married person.

It would make so a person in a bar room would first ask do you have a condom then do you have AIDS and are you married, all gov suggested questions before having sex.

You mean that one married person has never committed adultery with another?

That would be a complication open for debate as to how to procede, but it could be that two married persons could get some kind of probation and a second time would make then home wrecker adulterers too.

Or that a single person has never been lied to by a married person?

If some one can show ignorance and they did not know then that would be cause for leniency, but in places like the local bar or the work place then the married person would have legal gov protection in the work place, so if an employee or the boss (male or female) wants adultery then they would know the law against attacking and violating a family unit by adultery and then the law would be protecting the marriage and defending society.

Fascinating. I would have thought otherwise. But I haven't done much research compared to you. Who knew?

I like the idea too.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

You must have missed the Bible verses I posted. In God's eyes, both parties are equally guilty.

That might be true but I do not want to create religious laws based on God and the commandments.

I am saying that Caesar (the gov) has its own interest in protecting the institution of family and defending the married couple from outside attacks by unethical and immoral adulterers that break up families.

Not religious law - just plain old government protection against evil perpetrators.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

All kidding aside, are you being serious here?

Are you honestly trying to say that a married person is not to blame when they fall for a seduction? Do you really think that there's no free will involved when deciding to put yours into another person?

The married person did wrong - yes - but the outsider damaged society by attacking one of its families and that is a real crime.

If the participants in adultery are consenting adults then when the law in changed and improved to protect the marriage they those free will adults can each become un-consenting adults and stop breaking up families.

In adultery there's only ONE vicitm: The faithful spouse. There's also some collateral damage if there are children.

No, there are more then one victim. There is the damage done to our society and to our system and the destruction to the institution of family and of marriage. The dirty aduterer damages everyone concerned. The extended family of grandparents and siblings and concerned friends and neighbors. I say to protect and defend other families everywhere from the home wreckers.

 

[Ponytail]

The person outside the marriage is MORE guilty then the married person. And it is not so much a question of guilt as it is giving real legal and governmental protection to the institution of marriage. If the married person cheats then they are subject to divorce and then society is damaged and so the vested interest of the government is to stop the home wrecker that committed adultery with a married person.

What damage is done to the community or society by the occurence of a divorce?

It would make so a person in a bar room would first ask do you have a condom then do you have AIDS and are you married, all gov suggested questions before having sex.

Those questions ARE already normally asked. What is keeping the married party from telling a lie, just to get a little on the side, a one nighter? The single person does not have to plead ignorance, or even stupity, to be deceived. And that deception, whatever the cause, will be hard to prove otherwise.

That would be a complication open for debate as to how to procede, but it could be that two married persons could get some kind of probation and a second time would make then home wrecker adulterers too.

You think the other half of either marriage would be satisfied with the offender being put on probation instead of an imidiate divorce on the grounds of adultery???

If some one can show ignorance and they did not know then that would be cause for leniency, but in places like the local bar or the work place then the married person would have legal gov protection in the work place, so if an employee or the boss (male or female) wants adultery then they would know the law against attacking and violating a family unit by adultery and then the law would be protecting the marriage and defending society.

There are already laws againts commiting adultery, and I don't think that there is a single married couple out there that is not familiar with the law. Regardless of where, work or the bar, the law stands as is. Your law would make ZERO impact. There's too many holes, and you are asking to have a law that is already in place.

 

[Sharon]

The person outside the marriage is MORE guilty then the married person.

What if...the married person relentlessly pursued your "supposed homewrecker" who wasn't really a "family values attacker" at all, but was someone innocently pulled into an affair by deceptive means?

 

[harleygirl]

The married person did wrong - yes - but the outsider damaged society by attacking one of its families and that is a real crime.

If the participants in adultery are consenting adults then when the law in changed and improved to protect the marriage they those free will adults can each become un-consenting adults and stop breaking up families. No, there are more then one victim. There is the damage done to our society and to our system and the destruction to the institution of family and of marriage. The dirty aduterer damages everyone concerned. The extended family of grandparents and siblings and concerned friends and neighbors. I say to protect and defend other families everywhere from the home wreckers.

Okay JPC, you are still blaming the outsider........in my situation, the "other woman" did not even know my ex-hubby was married.....again, why should I blame her?? She did dump him when she found out......after I did also. In most cases of adultery it is because the married partner lies...."our marriage is over" "I do not love him/her, only you", and you still lay all of the blame on the outsider..........if your ex-wifey would not have thrown off the scent the other dog would not have come around sniffing....

 

[Mousebaby]

Jpc

Your village called.....
they miss you real bad....IDIOT!!!!!

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

Okay JPC, you are still blaming the outsider........in my situation, the "other woman" did not even know my ex-hubby was married.....again, why should I blame her?? She did dump him when she found out......after I did also. In most cases of adultery it is because the married partner lies...."our marriage is over" "I do not love him/her, only you", and you still lay all of the blame on the outsider..........if your ex-wifey would not have thrown off the scent the other dog would not have come around sniffing....

The one spouse can still blame the cheating spouse and can still get a divorce, but I am saying that the government has its own vested interest in stopping a predator that breaks up a family.

It is like a domestic violence case where the one spouse tells the police that she (or he) does not want to press charges against their mate so then the law itself presses charges because the government has its own interest in stopping domestic violence and it too has a governmental interest in stopping adulterer home wreckers from continuing.

So if the couple involved wants to keep their marriage, or end it - is up to themselves, but the aduterer home wrecker needs to be taken out of action.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

What if...the married person relentlessly pursued your "supposed homewrecker" who wasn't really a "family values attacker" at all, but was someone innocently pulled into an affair by deceptive means?

I agree, and that happens a lot. But once the law was changed and everyone is informed as it would be on TV and in the newspapers then the adults would have to think real hard before breaking up a marriage.

Plus I do not have all the bugs worked out so it could be better then I am saying but the present system of rewarding divorce and protecting adultery is in real need of change and improvement.

 

[Sharon]

you still lay all of the blame on the outsider..........if your ex-wifey would not have thrown off the scent the other dog would not have come around sniffing....

Did I miss something? :shrug:

Not that any of this crap matters in the big scheme of things. I'm just a little confused and may have missed something here.

Can someone set me straight?

As I understand it...

JPC was the cheater, no doubt seduced by an evil dastardly woman who offered him the devil's brew to partake in the act. This is why he wants to put the blame on the outsider more than realize he effed up his own marriage. His wife divorces him, he runs away rejected by family and friends.

In his twisted mind while he's galavanting all over the USA without a care in the world, nor child support to the son he left behind, he dreams up an entirely new fantasy world. His ex remarries, and now becomes the cheater because in God's eyes they're still married and she is a dirty rotten scoundrel for replacing him.

Years go by and she decides to try and collect CS by getting the court involved after waiting for him to step up to the plate and be a real man by paying his rightly dues.

"NO WAY, I won't pay", says JPC. and the rest is history.

 

[harleygirl]

Did I miss something? :shrug:

Not that any of this crap matters in the big scheme of things. I'm just a little confused and may have missed something here.

Can someone set me straight?

As I understand it...

JPC was the cheater, no doubt seduced by an evil dastardly woman who offered him the devil's brew to partake in the act. This is why he wants to put the blame on the outsider more than realize he effed up his own marriage. His wife divorces him, he runs away rejected by family and friends.

In his twisted mind while he's galavanting all over the USA without a care in the world, nor child support to the son he left behind, he dreams up an entirely new fantasy world. His ex remarries, and now becomes the cheater because in God's eyes they're still married and she is a dirty rotten scoundrel for replacing him.

Years go by and she decides to try and collect CS by getting the court involved after waiting for him to step up to the plate and be a real man by paying his rightly dues.

"NO WAY, I won't pay", says JPC. and the rest is history.

I thought the wife strayed.......

 

[Midnightrider]

if she didn't she should have.


this is such a rediculous thread. IF your spouse cheats on you, then its between you and them, not the person on the outside. The thrid party didn't have any expectation to "do right" by you or your marrige, the only ones that did were you and your spouse.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

Jimmy, you never replied to this. Tell me, do you really think God likes you?

I agree with all of it, except that you say God struck my ex-wife down and I do not agree with that, she had cancer and died from the cancer so it was not God. Death is a normal part of living.

The idea of like and dislike have nothing to do with my beliefs or with God, IMO. If anyone (liked or disliked) does right then are right and if anyone (liked or disliked) does wrong then they are wrong. So it does not matter if God likes me or not, it only matters if I do right or do wrong.

 

[MMDad]

I agree with all of it,

Thanks for agreeing with this part:

you failed as a husband, you failed as a father, and you failed to be a productive member of society. When you fail in the primary, remember to give credit where credit is due.

 

[harleygirl]

I agree with all of it, except that you say God struck my ex-wife down and I do not agree with that, she had cancer and died from the cancer so it was not God. Death is a normal part of living.

The idea of like and dislike have nothing to do with my beliefs or with God, IMO. If anyone (liked or disliked) does right then are right and if anyone (liked or disliked) does wrong then they are wrong. So it does not matter if God likes me or not, it only matters if I do right or do wrong.

So who started running......you or her??

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

So who started running......you or her??

I think it is only true to say that I ran, even though at that time I thought it was the right thing to do, but now in my latter age - I do not run any more. Not from no one and not from anything.

 

[JPC, Sr.]

The Preacher!

Do you really believe there is a GOD and if so why would he need to manifest himself to abolish our sins when all he had to do was just overlook it?

God had to show that it could be done and show how it is done.

If a parent sees children doing wrong in the back yard then a caring parent does not overlook wrong doing, but instead goes out there and shows what is wrong and shows how to do right.

Overlooking sin (wrong doing) or forgiving it is an insult to each of us.

Doing right makes one strong and no need for forgiveness.

Doing wrong is a weakness that need forgiven.

The cross was a miserable event.