Leaving the left, from a blue collar perspective
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Propaganda
“However, #WalkAway has also now been connected to Kremlin-linked Russian bots, and it is now the seventh most popular Russia-influenced hashtag as of this writing, according to the website Hamilton 68, which tracks Russian influence on Twitter as part of the Alliance for Securing Democracy, an initiative of the nonpartisan German Marshall Fund. The purpose of this now-astroturf campaign is to manipulate public opinion by creating the illusion that this is a popular movement. In reality, #WalkAway has become pure propaganda, a psychological operation.”
Russian bots are using #WalkAway to try to wound Dems in midterms
The #WalkAway hashtag is being used by conservatives and now Russian Twitter bots to spread the myth that there is an exodus happening within the Democratic Party, writes David A. Love. Actually, the opposite is happening.
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PeoplesElbow
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It is funny that no matter how many people point out why Trump won the Democrats refuse to believe it.
Real people, the people in the fly over states, the people that are ignored by the left don't care about things like microaggressions, 23 different different genders etc. Trump will be reelected in 2020 because of this. In 2008 the Democrats couldn't keep from celebrating that they would win the presidency for the foreseeable future due to demographics, how did that turn out for them? Just keep making excuses and the left will be relegated to being nothing more than the mimes and court jesters of politics.
Real people, the people in the fly over states, the people that are ignored by the left don't care about things like microaggressions, 23 different different genders etc. Trump will be reelected in 2020 because of this. In 2008 the Democrats couldn't keep from celebrating that they would win the presidency for the foreseeable future due to demographics, how did that turn out for them? Just keep making excuses and the left will be relegated to being nothing more than the mimes and court jesters of politics.
transporter
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Oh for Christ's sake...the "flyover states" are almost all red and have been.
Trump won due to the votes of less than 200,000 people in 4 states...FL, PA, MI, WI.
Change those 200,00 votes in those states and there is a different outcome.
You can use all the propagandist bullshit you want...that's the math. There was no landslide, there was no populists uprising. Dems, in large part, stayed home in a few key states.
This basic math also explains why, despite comrade GURPS' best attempts to spin the story, Trump has never had a composite poll result above 50% approval....I don't believe Trump has ever polled above 50% anywhere other that Rassmusen.
Trump is a buffoon...he is the perfect candidate of the uneducated....those who would stand up and shout "send them back" in one breath and proclaim themselves to be the only true Patriots in the next.
That does NOT make the Walk Away Campaign False Russian's bought Facebook ads supporting Black Lives Matter during the 2016 Election
Does that make the BLM Movement a Russian Propaganda Plot
How Exactly is Hamilton 68 tracking 'Russian' activity on Twitter
a shadowy self proclaimed group ' monitoring ' Russian Bots on Twitter
What are their methods ?
Rolling Stone of all the progressive rags questions their accuracy and methods
Why wouldn't gov want the twitter accounts shut down
isn't that what you do with fake Twitter Accountshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_for_Securing_Democracy
Reception
The dashboard has also received criticism for its "secret methodology"[22] and refusal to disclose the Twitter accounts it tracks.[13][23] ASD founders Laura Rosenberger and Jamie Fly say these accounts are not disclosed so to prevent them from getting shut down.[24]
Writing in The Nation, James Carden questioned the project's characterization of factual news items as Russian propaganda, concluding that the project "seeks to police and narrow the scope of acceptable political discourse".[25]
Glenn Greenwald criticized the group, opining that it represented a political alliance between neoconservatives and establishment Democrats. In an article in The Atlantic, Peter Beinart argued that while Greenwald's fear of hawkish foreign policy was founded, it was nevertheless important to understand Russia's involvement in American politics.[29] In a Politico article, Susan Glasser praised the group for its bipartisan approach to tracking Russian propaganda.[24]
Laura Rosenberger
Laura Rosenberger served as a foreign-policy advisor for Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. Previously, she served for more than a decade in a range of foreign-policy and national security positions at the State Department and National Security Council. Rosenberger's commitment to serving the American people began in 2004 when she joined the State Department as a presidential management fellow. She is a term member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
PeoplesElbow
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It should have not even been close. Really, imagine if Trump was actually likeable.
It was actually closer to 70,000 if not for the Russian influence and years of GOP false attack’s on Clinton like Pizzagate and Seth Rich, he would not have won.
littlelady
God bless the USA
Exactly. I have said many times that I don’t like his persona, but I know he is a patriot, and saved US for now. It is so obvious what the liberals are trying to do to our great country. They have spent the entire time after his election to bring him down, instead of working for the people. I hope he wins again in 2020.
The Declaration of Independence: Full text
www.ushistory.org
littlelady
God bless the USA
You are a lost cause, and I hope it stays that way. Hope for change, and all. So, you choose to believe there is no corruption on the Left, but only on the Right? Good luck with that way of thinking.
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Hillary was oh so close. Missed it by this much.
littlelady
God bless the USA
The amount of votes matter, that is why the electoral college came about. Population dispersement , and all. Of, course the Dems want to change that, now, because they are not getting their way.
: Trans may, totally, lose it in the next prez election. I don’t think leap frogs understand how much they are helping Trump get re-elected. Love it!
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PeoplesElbow
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Lol, like I said your head in the sand approach is going to get him reelected in 2020.
Yeah Russian Influence
1 Billion Dollars spent by Both Campaigns, PACS, Super PACS and Candidate Advocacy Ads
vs
A $ 2 million dollar GRU Budget for Facebook Ads - 12 Trolls From St Petersburg at the Internet Research Company Out
These Are the Ads Russia Bought on Facebook in 2016 (Published 2017)
A look at some of the ads designed by Russia to exploit divisions in American society and to tip the 2016 election in favor of Donald J. Trump.
See Which Facebook Ads Russians Targeted to People Like You (Published 2018)
Congress last week released more than 3,000 Facebook ads linked to Russia around the 2016 presidential election, the most comprehensive look at the misinformation campaign mounted on the social network.
www.nytimes.com
yeah Pizza Gate and Seth Rich costs Hillary the Election
Hijinx
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The question is: Are there enough mentally ill people with TDS to elect a President that promises to raise taxes, give away free stuff,open the borders to the rejects of every other nation in the world, disarm Americans, and trash the Constitution.
Remember, this is what every candidate running with the democrat party is on board with. Every one of them.
There really is no difference between the Rich lady law professor, the Commie Socialist old Vermont hippie bum, the Homo Mayor,the Jamaican-Indian slut, or any of the rest of the various and sundry anti-American liberal members of the Borg that are running.
Remember, this is what every candidate running with the democrat party is on board with. Every one of them.
There really is no difference between the Rich lady law professor, the Commie Socialist old Vermont hippie bum, the Homo Mayor,the Jamaican-Indian slut, or any of the rest of the various and sundry anti-American liberal members of the Borg that are running.
Propaganda
“However, #WalkAway has also now been connected to Kremlin-linked Russian bots...
SamSpade
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As it happens, next month will be 30 years since I walked away from a controlling and unhealthy church which I have called a "cult" here, online. For the first ten to fifteen years after I left, I was very much involved in discussions online about that group (albeit, since the Internet was barely available for the first few years, my post cult involvement didn't begin in earnest until about five years out). I read dozens of books, read hundreds of accounts and discussed - and argued with - members and ex-members.
This morning something happened - I came across a walkaway story from that group. Something I hadn't done in years. There were polite responses from current members and supportive, if brief, responses from others who had done the same.
There were at least a couple things that stood out and are directly comparable to this same phenomenon with the Democratic Party.
One you can probably guess without knowing anything about churches - dismissiveness. Yeah, yeah, go cry in your beer, we won't miss you. You're probably just in sin, selfish and all I hear you talking about is how you feel about it all. Well of course that's it. People don't throw away their whole life because of some intellectual, factual, entirely objective disagreement. Not unless you're REALLY weird. People give up after many, many, MANY years because they've finally given up all hope. It's like a divorce twenty years in the making. You hang in there, but one day you realize - they don't really want to change, what they really want is the way it's been.
Another one, just as common - it's all lies. Yup. That's why I said or wrote this. That's why I've endured the cruelty from former friends, family, walked away from people I thought cared about me, walked away knowing there'd be nothing out there. Yep. So I could LIE about it.
What's weird about THAT response is, it's almost the biggest reason people LEAVE churches - or in this case, a political party. Lack of humility. An utter unwillingness to address the problem. Really, what is the point of sticking around if any problem is ignored, thrown back at you or called a lie?
Now what might WORK is, if there truly was a sincere an determined effort to basically say - this IS a problem. What should we do to fix it? We've really let this go. It really shouldn't take a heart attack to convince you you need to lose weight, it really shouldn't take the roof to cave in for you to admit the house has problems and it shouldn't take the loss of thousands or millions of your members to stop looking at it as some image thing, but admit culpability.
SOMEWHERE, it requires someone to stop saying "this is a problem" and start saying "this is my FAULT".
I've seen churches turn it around. I've never seen a large secular organization do it.
This morning something happened - I came across a walkaway story from that group. Something I hadn't done in years. There were polite responses from current members and supportive, if brief, responses from others who had done the same.
There were at least a couple things that stood out and are directly comparable to this same phenomenon with the Democratic Party.
One you can probably guess without knowing anything about churches - dismissiveness. Yeah, yeah, go cry in your beer, we won't miss you. You're probably just in sin, selfish and all I hear you talking about is how you feel about it all. Well of course that's it. People don't throw away their whole life because of some intellectual, factual, entirely objective disagreement. Not unless you're REALLY weird. People give up after many, many, MANY years because they've finally given up all hope. It's like a divorce twenty years in the making. You hang in there, but one day you realize - they don't really want to change, what they really want is the way it's been.
Another one, just as common - it's all lies. Yup. That's why I said or wrote this. That's why I've endured the cruelty from former friends, family, walked away from people I thought cared about me, walked away knowing there'd be nothing out there. Yep. So I could LIE about it.
What's weird about THAT response is, it's almost the biggest reason people LEAVE churches - or in this case, a political party. Lack of humility. An utter unwillingness to address the problem. Really, what is the point of sticking around if any problem is ignored, thrown back at you or called a lie?
Now what might WORK is, if there truly was a sincere an determined effort to basically say - this IS a problem. What should we do to fix it? We've really let this go. It really shouldn't take a heart attack to convince you you need to lose weight, it really shouldn't take the roof to cave in for you to admit the house has problems and it shouldn't take the loss of thousands or millions of your members to stop looking at it as some image thing, but admit culpability.
SOMEWHERE, it requires someone to stop saying "this is a problem" and start saying "this is my FAULT".
I've seen churches turn it around. I've never seen a large secular organization do it.
