Clem72
Well-Known Member
A girl starts walkin', guys start gawkin'
Sits down next to you and starts talkin'
Says she wanna dance 'cause she likes the groove
So come on, fatso, and just bust a move
Let's have an argument!
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Sits down next to you and starts talkin'
Says she wanna dance 'cause she likes the groove
So come on, fatso, and just bust a move
glhs837
Power with Control
What happened to this lady isn't an assumption. Or an educated guess. Your contention is that your three interactions inform you of how every one of the tens of thousands of LEOs are going to interact with everyone they pull over. Mine is that you cant know, but you can see that there is a wide range of interactions, and telling folks they can wait to pull over without any issues seems like bad advice.So... assumptions. Or at best... an educated guess.
Unless you have the data and knowledge of every single LEO traffic enforcement interaction in the country
I believe we both agree on the point that traffic enforcement is just not cutting it locally. Whether it be due to financial reasons or just plain laziness. Regardless, the lack of said enforcement has lead to a multitude of problems including unnecessary deaths, rising costs for insurance and driving fees, etc.
The issue is that most laws are a bit vague. Pull over as soon as safe to the right of the roadway. I don't know of any place that has it written in law. So you are at the mercy of the officers judgment.
Shocking footage shows cop flipping pregnant woman's car because she was pulling over too slowly
A pregnant woman sued Arkansas police after an officer performed a maneuver which flipped her car when she didn't immediately pull over
100 seconds, or 2.5 minutes to get to a lit gas station.
Virginia authorities to investigate police who threatened Black Army officer
The town manager of Windsor, where the incident occurred, said one of the two officers involved has already been fired following an internal investigation.
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OccamsRazor
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And it is your contention that telling people to pull over when it is safe for both you and the officer as not to impede traffic on the road is not a wise idea or bad advice based on the 2 examples that you provided?
Bottom line question is... which do YOU think is the better option?
You're right. Clearly if you proceed to a safe pull over space the cop will try to kill you. Much better to just stop the car immediately wherever you are, even if it's the middle of an interstate. Better safe than sorry, right?
glhs837
Power with Control
That's just it. Every single case is different. We do agree pulling over in a travel lane or turn or merge lane is not a good idea. Anything after that you do runs the risk of pissing off the officer.
It's that "safe to do so" that is the key. Your judgement about what's safe and the officers might vary.
glhs837
Power with Control
See, if you have to misstate my position, your argument has problems.
I never said the above. If you decide that the shoulder of the highway is unsafe and want to go a mile to the exit, you might very well have problems.
See, if you have to misstate my position, your argument has problems.
If you decide that the shoulder of the highway is unsafe and want to go a mile to the exit, you might very well have problems.
You could go into the Wawa for a gallon of milk and have problems. There is literally nothing you can do that has no potential for a problem. What we typically do in life is play the odds.
Can something happen to you while you're in the Wawa getting milk?
Of course.
Do most people get a gallon of milk with no issues?
Again, of course.
I didn't misstate your position so much as you cherrypicked stories that are outside the norm to try and prove your point. Which is great, because I said right off the bat - let's have an argument. I appreciate you doing your part.
glhs837
Power with Control
You could go into the Wawa for a gallon of milk and have problems. There is literally nothing you can do that has no potential for a problem. What we typically do in life is play the odds.
Can something happen to you while you're in the Wawa getting milk?
Of course.
Do most people get a gallon of milk with no issues?
Again, of course.
I didn't misstate your position so much as you cherrypicked stories that are outside the norm to try and prove your point. Which is great, because I said right off the bat - let's have an argument. I appreciate you doing your part.
I didn't say will, I said might.
You said end up dead, which didn't happen in either case I posted. Those stories are outside the norm. How likely that is to happen to you depends on so many variables you cant even know. My main point was that giving the blanket advice that you can choose to go as far as you feel you need to "feel safe" is not as good as "Don't pull over in travel lanes or other lanes where you will block traffic, but do get over.".
I've always said that the great majority of officers are good people doing a crappy job as best they can, hemmed in by a lot of BS. Your odds of running into one who isn't a good person are low. Very low. But certainly not zero. Assuming a thing you've been told is some universal law is a dangerous thing. Its not the law anywhere.
You know what else might happen? It's not really a cop at all but a bad guy trying to get you to pull over so he can rape and kill you. I could probably pull up a whole bunch of news stories where that exact thing happened.
So yikes...in a world of "mights" what's a person to do?
*I* think you should just go Smoky and the Bandit on their asses. "East bound and down, loaded up and truckin'...." :vroomvroom:
OccamsRazor
Well-Known Member
Pretty sure that "blanket advice" was brought up by... you.
What I remember saying was to "to drive safely until you reach a side road or parking lot to pull in to."
glhs837
Power with Control
Here's what started it. "Side road or parking lot" hit post too soon. Medians or shoulders are acceptable.
Haven't you seen the vids where a guy is pulled over on the shoulder and the cop talking to him gets nailed by a passing motorist?
See, this is why I just do the damn speed limit and don't run red lights and obey traffic laws and wear my seatbelt. It's just easier to do that than worry about how to behave when a cop pulls you over.
glhs837
Power with Control
Sure have, and I don't worry about that because I only rarely get pulled over. Last time I got pulled over it was in 2016 because the nice officer didn't understand how DRLs and turn signals work and he wanted to write me up for having a headlight out. He wrote me a warning instead. This was about 1,000 feet before the turn onto Park Hall going SB on 235. Not many options there.
I don't run reds, wear my seatbelt and stick pretty close to the speed limit
Shoulders vary. That's why "safe place to pull over" is a variable and requires judgment.
awpitt
Main Streeter
Because they do it, doesn't make it legal.
awpitt
Main Streeter
Exactly.It's amazing you have to point that out to people.
glhs837
Power with Control
I didnt say it did. That was to point out that even officers recognize that most speed limits are set low and that its not unsafe to exceed to a bit.
No, they just can't be bothered to enforce road rules, as pointed out in a recent post about blowing thru a right-turn-only lane.
Let's have an argument!
Was anyone else taught in driver's ed that if and when police attempt to pull you over that you are supposed to drive safely until you reach a side road or parking lot to pull in to? This is what I was taught and what seems safest, but people are idiots and freak out when a cop lights them up.
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