Liberated Iraqi Soccer Team Bashes Bush+

vraiblonde

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To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer in power.

But they also find it offensive that Bush is using Iraq for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"

I'm speechless. That takes a hell of a lot of nerve.
 

vraiblonde

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Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the resistance.
Amazing.
 

jlabsher

Sorry about that chief.
Hey, I thought everybody on here but me wanted to free the poor Iraqi people from oppression and show them how good the American way was. We all know it wasn't about WMD.:confused:
 

Hessian

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Join the resistance, wrap a fresh towel around your noggin, and catch a bullet...sounds like a plan.

I keep waiting for the Iraqi's to wake up and realize the benefits of capitalism, free press, stable currency, no secret police, torture chambers, international travel...but apparently the 'regime' mentality is so ingrained that they still don't get it.
We'll rebuild the roads, the water, the electrical, septic, and security system and we will still be the unwanted infidel.

Everyone over there should get a free claymore for Ramadan.
 

BuddyLee

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Originally posted by Hessian
Join the resistance, wrap a fresh towel around your noggin, and catch a bullet...sounds like a plan.

I keep waiting for the Iraqi's to wake up and realize the benefits of capitalism, free press, stable currency, no secret police, torture chambers, international travel...but apparently the 'regime' mentality is so ingrained that they still don't get it.
We'll rebuild the roads, the water, the electrical, septic, and security system and we will still be the unwanted infidel.

Everyone over there should get a free claymore for Ramadan.

We are the most hated, loved, and admired country in the world. Sounds like Jealousy to me.
 

Ken King

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Come on, I say give them a medal, preferably steel and of the 155mm HE variety.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I don't know what you folks honestly...

...expect.

We didn't liberate Paul Revere and Patrick Henry.

Iraq is one majorly effed up place. Imagine your psyche if you'd just been liberated from 30 years of secular dicatorship in a hugely religious county that, BTW, has a monumental difference between two major religious groups within the country who have a century old blood feud, not based on the religion itself, but on the heirarchy of who's cousin's uncle came where in the pecking order 1300 years ago.

Shall we nevermind the fact that a single wrong word could, and for all they know, still, get your ass or your family wiped out?

Now, imagine that the people who came to liberate you are of a religion, or at least in your mind they are, that your religion, your entire mindset in effect, decries as a threat to your way of life.

I mean, they got a lot of healing to do and a lot of growing to do before they can readily accept the fact that we mean them only the opportunity of self determination and stability in the region, lead by them.

So, let's quit acting like they REALLY hate what we're trying to do.

After all, they aren't Howard Dean or the DU.
 

Hessian

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You reminded me Larry...

Pre US liberation, I believe that 25-30% of the people got free electricity/food/cheap gas/water...

That was pure dependence on the benevolent Saddam.

When the US arrived we said.."Hey you're free now!" And they were wondering where all the free stuff went.-Hate the mean US who took away our freebies!!!!

Could this be a lesson regarding the Liberal give-away policies of the Dems...producing a 20+% of the public that is "loyal" because of dependence...and would be filled with hatred /rebellion if we cut the freebies? (oh wait, I just described downtown Los Angelos, Detroit, Cincinnati, Chicago...etc--the BLUE areas on the 2000 election)
 

Pete

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Re: You reminded me Larry...

Originally posted by Hessian
Pre US liberation, I believe that 25-30% of the people got free electricity/food/cheap gas/water...

That was pure dependence on the benevolent Saddam.

When the US arrived we said.."Hey you're free now!" And they were wondering where all the free stuff went.-Hate the mean US who took away our freebies!!!!

Could this be a lesson regarding the Liberal give-away policies of the Dems...producing a 20+% of the public that is "loyal" because of dependence...and would be filled with hatred /rebellion if we cut the freebies? (oh wait, I just described downtown Los Angelos, Detroit, Cincinnati, Chicago...etc--the BLUE areas on the 2000 election)
I wrote a long post about the dems creating a "dem addicted" constuency long ago.
 

Larry Gude

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Dude...

...if Marion Berry didn't write THAT book, he sure as hell revised it.

When he was mayor he had over 50,000 people on the city payroll in a town of roughly 500,000.

1 in 10 PEOPLE. Not 1 in 10 adults.

Plenty of folks did want to and may still want to go back to communism in the Soviet...oops...in Russia. The devil you know, right?

That's pretty much my point. Them soccer players no more know what to do with freedom (and the attendant responsibilities) than anyone else who has no real idea what it is.

THAT is our challenge.

Japan, Germany and South Korea are our credentials, IMHO.
 

Tonio

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Re: I don't know what you folks honestly...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
[BImagine your psyche if you'd just been liberated from 30 years of secular dicatorship in a hugely religious county that, BTW, has a monumental difference between two major religious groups within the country who have a century old blood feud, not based on the religion itself, but on the heirarchy of who's cousin's uncle came where in the pecking order 1300 years ago. [/B]

Larry, what do you think of the idea of giving up on a united Iraq and letting the Kurds, Shiites and Sunnis establish separate countries?

Iraq was a product of Britain and France's boneheaded attempt at redrawing boundaries after the dissolution of the Austrian and Ottoman empires. Like Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia, Iraq seemed to be a mismash of peoples who at best tolerated each other.
 

Larry Gude

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What do I think of Anrachy?

...well, let me be clear here; not much.

One of the reasons the administration pushed to un-employ Saddam is because it is believed that there is a strong sense among Iraqi Kurds and Iraqi Shiites and Iraqi Sunnis that they ARE Iraqi's.

See Germany: In 1946 it was a cauldron of people leaning every which way from nationalist to comminist to fascist to socialist to liberal democracy but their common identity was German.

Same thing in Japan.

Hell, we helped build it out of thin air in South Korea.

The question in Iraq is will the three major groups, at the end of the day, choose to work relentlessly towards a unified Iraq?

Or not? THEY have everything to lose.

I say that is part of the reason for the atheletes attitudes; they do see THEIR Iraq with foriegn troops occupying, however friendly.

I don't think the French forces hung around long after Yorktown.
 

Tonio

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Re: What do I think of Anrachy?

Originally posted by Larry Gude
I say that is part of the reason for the atheletes attitudes; they do see THEIR Iraq with foriegn troops occupying, however friendly.

I can appreciate that. You're suggesting that Iraq has a much stronger national identity than the other countries I mentioned? That's very possible. I thought the Iraqi factions might be like the American South during the waning days of Jim Crow, when Southerners saw the region as Dixie first, America second.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ton...

You're suggesting that Iraq has a much stronger national identity than the other countries I mentioned

I'm suggesting that that is a large official part of why we are there, not necessarily that I agree. I'm just starting to understand Sunni vs. Shi'ia.


May I remind you that the South is a part of the United States today?

Let's look at the example of the disolution of the Soviet Union or, better perhaps, the Balkans.

The Balkans has been the battlefield, the DMZ if you will, between Europe and what we see as 'European' and Middle Eastern, or Arab/Muslim.

The self identity of the various groups, Serbs, Croats etc, is SO strong that a national identity in a rather tiny area is virtually impossible and that's proved for almost 1,000 years.

The possibility of a civil war is very real in Iraq and if you look at what the British did, it is hard to make the case for a common national identity. Kurds in the north as a buffer to Turkey. Shiia in the South as a buffer to Persia (Iran). Sunni in the west to buffer Saudi.

In the Balkans there is no reason to believe civil war will ever result in unity a la the US.

In Iraq, there supposedly is reason to so. The fact that things are WAY more peaceful over there than the media wants you to think supports that theory.

Chris Mathews, lead council for the DNC makes much of the fact that we are approaching 1,000 US military loses.

40,000 women have died in the US in half the time of breast cancer.

Isn't the possibility of a stable, liberal, western style ARAB democracy worth SOMETHING?

It could truly change the world for the better and help end the corruption of Islam.

Democrats are saying, in effect, the same thing about Arabs now that they said in 1860: THOSE people will never amount to anything!

They were wrong then.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by Larry Gude
Isn't the possibility of a stable, liberal, western style ARAB democracy worth SOMETHING?

It could truly change the world for the better and help end the corruption of Islam.
Woof. You sound like me, all starry eyed and filled with romantic notions. But I'm starting to think that I'd rather see all Iraqis exterminated than lose one single American life.

"I'm glad I'm not being tortured anymore, but I hate the people who removed my torturer." :crazy:
 
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