Line item Veto

[PeoplesElbow]

Been a long time since it was in the news.

I think it's time for it to come up again, nothing would do more to control spending, if spending is truly what the actual goal is.

Can't say I agree or disagree with this, but it shouldn't be part of a reconciliation bill.

Trump's signing of 'One Big Beautiful Bill' includes $85 million to move space shuttle Discovery from Smithsonian to Texas | Space https://share.google/wlUDD2zFu5fb4N6EU

 

[Hessian]

Yeah...the Line item ability disappeared during Clinton...I believe it was a court ruling. Time to get that back on the table!

 

[vraiblonde]

How are the scumbags supposed to get their pork approved and palms greased if the President can strike their bullshit from the budget?

 

[LtownTaxpayer]

Been a long time since it was in the news.

I think it's time for it to come up again, nothing would do more to control spending, if spending is truly what the actual goal is.

Can't say I agree or disagree with this, but it shouldn't be part of a reconciliation bill.

Trump's signing of 'One Big Beautiful Bill' includes $85 million to move space shuttle Discovery from Smithsonian to Texas | Space https://share.google/wlUDD2zFu5fb4N6EU

The way this article is written, the space shuttle sounds like it is in the Air and Space Museum in downtown DC. Nope. It is in the facility out at Chantilly, VA. My friend who retired from the Smithsonian called it the overflow facility. Basically it is in a hangar. While I agree that it shouldn't have been in the BBB, who thinks of Chantilly, VA when you want to see a shuttle that actually flew in space.

 

[SamSpade]

I think the problem with a line item veto is it gives the President the power to create legislation by editing. And if allowed it just compels Congress to be more crafty about wording.

Maybe we should however, require a minimum amount of time Congress MUST be physically present in Washington - ostensibly to do actual work. If they’re going to fuss about feds being back in the office maybe they should lead by example.

 

[Kyle]

I think the problem with a line item veto is it gives the President the power to create legislation by editing. And if allowed it just compels Congress to be more crafty about wording.

Maybe we should however, require a minimum amount of time Congress MUST be physically present in Washington - ostensibly to do actual work. If they’re going to fuss about feds being back in the office maybe they should lead by example.

Yeah, there’s also the problem of when they’re in Washington too much, they tend to cause more of a burden on citizens that way too.

I’m thinking every item of legislation should be a single item bill.

Voted up or down based on its own merits.

 

[SamSpade]

Yeah, there’s also the problem of when they’re in Washington too much, they tend to cause more of a burden on citizens that way too.

I’m thinking every item of legislation should be a single item bill.

Voted up or down based on its own merits.

And they'd have to be IN Washington more, because they'd have to VOTE on all of them. Bad enough they don't READ them, but have staff do it for them and make recommendations.

 

[vraiblonde]

Yeah, there’s also the problem of when they’re in Washington too much, they tend to cause more of a burden on citizens that way too.

I’m thinking every item of legislation should be a single item bill.

Voted up or down based on its own merits.

That would certainly keep them busy and out of trouble

 

[vraiblonde]

How spending bills work:

Democrats slide in a laundry list of off-putting unpopular crap, along with ridiculous pork projects that funnel money to them and their cronies.
Republicans vote against it.
Democrats and their media handmaidens say, "OMG Republicans voted against SS/Med increases!!!"

So as Kyle said above, make them vote up or down on each item. The ones that make the cut get packaged and sent to POTUS.

No doubt they'll figure out a way to crook that up too because that's what our politicians use their brains for: cooking up scams and schemes.

 

[glhs837]

The way this article is written, the space shuttle sounds like it is in the Air and Space Museum in downtown DC. Nope. It is in the facility out at Chantilly, VA. My friend who retired from the Smithsonian called it the overflow facility. Basically it is in a hangar. While I agree that it shouldn't have been in the BBB, who thinks of Chantilly, VA when you want to see a shuttle that actually flew in space.

Have you been to the Udvar-Hazy facility? That is not just a hangar. It's a whole second amazing museum. It started as an overflow, but it's pretty huge now. Also houses the SR-71. I spent four hours there one day.

 

[Hijinx]

Have you been to the Udvar-Hazy facility? That is not just a hangar. It's a whole second amazing museum. It started as an overflow, but it's pretty huge now. Also houses the SR-71. I spent four hours there one day.

I have been there and really enjoyed it.

 

[TPD]

I have been there and really enjoyed it.

Me as well

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I think the problem with a line item veto is it gives the President the power to create legislation by editing. And if allowed it just compels Congress to be more crafty about wording.

Maybe we should however, require a minimum amount of time Congress MUST be physically present in Washington - ostensibly to do actual work. If they’re going to fuss about feds being back in the office maybe they should lead by example.

I don't want them working and "getting things done" because that usually means a screwing is coming.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Yeah, there’s also the problem of when they’re in Washington too much, they tend to cause more of a burden on citizens that way too.

I’m thinking every item of legislation should be a single item bill.

Voted up or down based on its own merits.

I've always thought bills should be for just one thing, this would be a perfect compromise.

I could definitely go for this.

 

[SamSpade]

I've always thought bills should be for just one thing, this would be a perfect compromise.

I could definitely go for this.

Problem is, this would increase the number of bills by at least an order of magnitude. This would be like having rice for dinner - but having to cook each grain separately.

It would force stupid ass pork off the table for sure - because no one’s voting for pure pork which exists for just one member - but it would complicate everything else.

Maybe something can be done to prevent changes once the bill makes it to the floor.

 

[LtownTaxpayer]

Have you been to the Udvar-Hazy facility? That is not just a hangar. It's a whole second amazing museum. It started as an overflow, but it's pretty huge now. Also houses the SR-71. I spent four hours there one day.

Yep, I have visited. I am not saying that it isn't really cool. But I do think that Houston should have had a shuttle. There are people there who actually helped to get the beast into space and back down again.

 

[LtownTaxpayer]

How spending bills work:

Democrats slide in a laundry list of off-putting unpopular crap, along with ridiculous pork projects that funnel money to them and their cronies.
Republicans vote against it.
Democrats and their media handmaidens say, "OMG Republicans voted against SS/Med increases!!!"

So as Kyle said above, make them vote up or down on each item. The ones that make the cut get packaged and sent to POTUS.

No doubt they'll figure out a way to crook that up too because that's what our politicians use their brains for: cooking up scams and schemes.

Exactly. Funding bills used to be done this way. Omnibus spending bills are too cumbersome. How many members of congress actually read them? I'll bet it gets divided up to all their staff members. This administration is being as transparent as they possibly can be. It would be nice if congress operated the same way.

 

[Ken King]

Maybe something can be done to prevent changes once the bill makes it to the floor.

Like what? Eliminate debate and amendments.

 

[vraiblonde]

Honestly, there's nothing anyone can come up with that politicians won't screw it up. It's like trying to dummy-proof something: dummies are far more dedicated to being dumb than we could ever be with instructing them.

 

[SamSpade]

Like what? Eliminate debate and amendments.

I can agree with ending amendments. Even if relevant - like changing pertinent details - it ought to emerge for a vote as a final product and not a work in progress. Any change ought to be handled BEFORE then. This is why vetoes hardly happen anymore - there’s enough communication ahead of time that there’s no surprises.

Debate I can see as necessary but it needs to be limited.

And I think if a Congress person is ill informed of the details they should abstain. Party line votes to me are strong proof that members are voting party rather than a bill’s merits.