Liquor stores return to Baghdad

[nhboy]

"BAGHDAD - It's Thursday night, the end of the Iraqi workweek, and Fami Ameen is scrambling in his crowded Assassin's Gate liquor store as customers clamor for everything from beer and whiskey to ouzo and arak, the popular local alcohol.

Call Ameen an unexpected beneficiary of the "surge." For decades, Iraq had a reputation as a modern, secular society that liked to drink and knew how to party, from wild hotel discotheques to genteel members-only social clubs. But after the fall of Saddam Hussein, extremists unleashed waves of firebombings against liquor stores, even killing owners, because alcohol is forbidden under Islamic law."

Liquor stores return to Baghdad -- Newsday.com

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

"BAGHDAD - alcohol is forbidden under Islamic law."

Liquor stores return to Baghdad -- Newsday.com

This is what the USA and President Bush and Christianity has brought to Iraq.

Call it "freedom" or "liberation" or more correctly its American debauchery delivered to an Islamic Country.

The so-called News report says the Iragis want the booze which is forbidden by their religion,

but it is the Americans that are delivering it in disregard of the Islamic religion.

The USA does not belong in Iraq and the longer we are there then the worse we make it.

 

[bresamil]

This is what the USA and President Bush and Christianity has brought to Iraq.

Call it "freedom" or "liberation" or more correctly its American debauchery delivered to an Islamic Country.

The so-called News report says the Iragis want the booze which is forbidden by their religion,

but it is the Americans that are delivering it in disregard of the Islamic religion.

The USA does not belong in Iraq and the longer we are there then the worse we make it.

It says they were drinking when Saddam was in charge. We didn't bring it.

 

[This_person]

This is what the USA and President Bush and Christianity has brought to Iraq.

Call it "freedom" or "liberation" or more correctly its American debauchery delivered to an Islamic Country.

The so-called News report says the Iragis want the booze which is forbidden by their religion,

but it is the Americans that are delivering it in disregard of the Islamic religion.

The USA does not belong in Iraq and the longer we are there then the worse we make it.

For decades, Iraq had a reputation as a modern, secular society that liked to drink and knew how to party, from wild hotel discotheques to genteel members-only social clubs.

Reading comprehension. The Iraqis wanted the lifestyle that they lived before the extremism took 'em over. Not us pushing anything on them.


Please, please learn to read and understand English. It was right there in the post.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

It says they were drinking when Saddam was in charge. We didn't bring it.

This is American propaganda.

Since alcohol is forbidden under Islamic law then the USA has no business bringing it over there.

The report also says that Saddam Hussien put a stop to it when he was President, the tenth paragraph says:

"The restrictions on alcohol consumption began in the 1990s, when, in an effort to shore up support among religious conservatives, Hussein banned drinking in public, including in restaurants, clubs, bars and hotels."

President Hussain was cleaning up the Iraq society under Islamic law and now the USA brings in the American debaucheries.

 

[This_person]

"The restrictions on alcohol consumption began in the 1990s, when, in an effort to shore up support among religious conservatives, Hussein banned drinking in public, including in restaurants, clubs, bars and hotels."

President Hussain was cleaning up the Iraq society under Islamic law and now the USA brings in the American debaucheries.

Iraq is responsible for itself in this respect. The people wanted it, Hussein (a secular himself) was only pandering to his religious forces to maintain his dictatorship. It was there before we were.

Reading comprehension. PLEASE.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Iraq is responsible for itself in this respect. The people wanted it, Hussein (a secular himself) was only pandering to his religious forces to maintain his dictatorship. It was there before we were.

Reading comprehension. PLEASE.

I read the link and you are adding nothing.

I comprehend and I said it was propaganda.

You add nothing there.

The point of yours supposedly of "1990" was 17 years ago.

So my point that President Hussien took out the booze and the American occupation is bringing the booze back is the only point that stands.

Saying the Iraqis want it is the same garbage down to the native American Indians, they kept wanting the fire-water too after the white folks got them drunk and addicted to the booze.

I say it is that many Christians like Bush do not care about bringing debauchery to an Islamic people under USA control.

In Afghanistan the Taliban out-lawed opium but the USA got it back now.

 

[Novus Collectus]

This is what the USA and President Bush and Christianity has brought to Iraq.

Call it "freedom" or "liberation" or more correctly its American debauchery delivered to an Islamic Country.

The so-called News report says the Iragis want the booze which is forbidden by their religion,

but it is the Americans that are delivering it in disregard of the Islamic religion.

The USA does not belong in Iraq and the longer we are there then the worse we make it.

Iraq has always had a significant Christian population Saddam's deputy prime minister was Christian fer cryin' out loud!

Christians are allowed to drink alcohol.

 

[Novus Collectus]

This is American propaganda.

Since alcohol is forbidden under Islamic law then the USA has no business bringing it over there.

The report also says that Saddam Hussien put a stop to it when he was President, the tenth paragraph says:

"The restrictions on alcohol consumption began in the 1990s, when, in an effort to shore up support among religious conservatives, Hussein banned drinking in public, including in restaurants, clubs, bars and hotels."

President Hussain was cleaning up the Iraq society under Islamic law and now the USA brings in the American debaucheries.

But he didn't ban liquor stores which were still operating legally under his rule the day before we invaded.

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Iraq has always had a significant Christian population Saddam's deputy prime minister was Christian fer cryin' out loud!

Christians are allowed to drink alcohol.

That is different if the booze is there to supply the Christians.

I am sure there is also a huge supply for the American troops there too.

But the report surely is saying that the liquor stores are there in violation of the Islamic law,

and saying that the liquor stores are there to intoxicate the Iraqi population.

Perhaps it is a trick to convert the Muslims to Christianity by getting then drunk.

 

[Go G-Men]

So my point that President Hussien took out the booze and the American occupation is bringing the booze back is the only point that stands.

Okay "Mr. I am running for office" , please get your facts right...

If you kill to gain office and threaten to kill to remain in office you can't be called President..

So please start your idiotic statements about Saddam like this: Dictator..... followed by all the rest of your Bulls#t.

 

[Novus Collectus]

That is different if the booze is there to supply the Christians.

I am sure there is also a huge supply for the American troops there too.

But the report surely is saying that the liquor stores are there in violation of the Islamic law,

Not all Muslims abstain from alcohol because some view it is only the intoxication or drinking to excess which is prohibitted, but that is besides the point. All of Sadam's family drank alcohol and it was often served at wedding parties or other parties and the like. Alcohol was and is a main aspect of Baghdad life even if it was used by just a minority.
It is not illegal for non-Muslims to sell alcohol, it is just against Muslim law for Muslims to get drunk.

Perhaps it is a trick to convert the Muslims to Christianity by getting then drunk.

Isn't that kinda like how Jesus did when he turned water to wine for his followers?


6And there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, holding twenty to thirty gallons apiece.


7Jesus said unto them, "Fill the waterpots with water." And they filled them up to the brim.


8And He said unto them, "Draw some out now, and bear it unto the governor of the feast." And they took it.


9When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, not knowing from whence it had come (but the servants who drew the water knew), the governor of the feast called the bridegroom


10and said unto him, "Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine, and when men have drunk well, then that which is worse; but thou hast kept the good wine until now."

 

[hvp05]

Perhaps it is a trick to convert the Muslims to Christianity by getting then drunk.

I was wondering why you kept pounding the point regarding Christians. Then I realized one of the reporters is named Christian, and since you are the guy who thought the Channon Christian murder case was all about religion, I wouldn't be surprised if you are using that rationale again.


Oh, and you can not honestly believe selective parts of the article, but then refer to the rest as "propaganda". If it's all silly propaganda, why are you here?

 

[czygvtwkr]

Akbar avenue will look like Great Mills Road any day now!

 

[JPC sr]

Mr. Ferrari

Not all Muslims abstain from alcohol because some view it is only the intoxication or drinking to excess which is prohibitted, but that is besides the point. All of Sadam's family drank alcohol and it was often served at wedding parties or other parties and the like. Alcohol was and is a main aspect of Baghdad life even if it was used by just a minority.
It is not illegal for non-Muslims to sell alcohol, it is just against Muslim law for Muslims to get drunk.

The POINT is - that Islamic law forbids alcohol and the American occupation is putting the Christian drunkeness onto the Muslim population.

If the USA was a benevolent occupation then we would respect their religion and not violate it.

A lot of Americans mis-use narcotics but it is illegal anyway.

Isn't that kinda like how Jesus did when he turned water to wine for his followers?


6And there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, holding twenty to thirty gallons apiece.


7Jesus said unto them, "Fill the waterpots with water." And they filled them up to the brim.


8And He said unto them, "Draw some out now, and bear it unto the governor of the feast." And they took it.


9When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, not knowing from whence it had come (but the servants who drew the water knew), the governor of the feast called the bridegroom


10and said unto him, "Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine, and when men have drunk well, then that which is worse; but thou hast kept the good wine until now."

That action of Jesus turning water to wine in John 2:1-11 link HERE was Jesus' mother Mary that pushed Jesus into doing something that He did not want to do, see verses 3-4-5 in the link.

So maybe you are correct that it is a similar situation where the Muslims do not want it but the USA is pushing them to do it anyway.

 

[Novus Collectus]

The POINT is - that Islamic law forbids alcohol and the American occupation is putting the Christian drunkeness onto the Muslim population.

If the USA was a benevolent occupation then we would respect their religion and not violate it.

The POINT is - that alcohol was there before American invasion, it was legal and the American government has nothing to do with it being there then, nor now.

If the USA respected their culture and their sovereignty, they would stay out of it.,...like we are doing now.
We do not make their laws for them and we do not make existing laws moot. Alcohol was legal before and it is legal now. The Iraqi government and many Iraqis in Baghdad want it that way.

Respect their culture, stay out of it.

 

[Sonsie]

This is American propaganda.

Since alcohol is forbidden under Islamic law then the USA has no business bringing it over there.

Hey retard, they've been drinking it and brewing their own over there forever. During the first gulf war I was with the Kurds in norther Iraq, they were very proud of their recipes for arak, the turks to for that matter. It was actually pretty rank, like bad ouzo, and you've never tasted crappy liquor until you've tasted it from an old plastic vegtable oil bottle. However, they had a rich tradition of brewing liquors over there long before we ever set foot in Iraq numbskull.

 

[hvp05]

However, they had a rich tradition of brewing liquors over there long before we ever set foot in Iraq numbskull.

So long ago it traces back to the earliest recorded human history, even. Back before Iraq existed, in a little place called Babylon.

The earliest alcoholic beverages may have been made from berries or honey and winemaking may have originated in the wild grape regions of the Middle East.

Beer was the major beverage among the Babylonians, and as early as 2,700 B.C. they worshiped a wine goddess and other wine deities. Babylonians regularly used both beer and wine as offerings to their gods. Around 1,750 B.C., the famous Code of Hammurabi devoted attention to alcohol. However, there were no penalties for drunkenness; in fact, it was not even mentioned. The concern was fair commerce in alcohol. Nevertheless, although it was not a crime, it would appear that the Babylonians were critical of drunkenness. (Source.)

Just to remind JPC, "B.C." means "before Christ", and in 2,700 B.C., there was no evil Pres. Bush, no U.S., and not even Christianity.

But you, as a well-read historian, already know that... right?

 

[kom526]

Dear Yahweh,
Please smite the retard.

Amen,
SoMD Forumites

 

[Larry Gude]

Jpc...

...you are 100% correct in your analysis...from the perspective of Osama bin Laden and company. To them, we ARE destroying their world. I say, not fast enough.

We are debauchery, sex and drugs and alcohol. And we are sobriety and abstinence. And we are faithful. And we are faithless. And we are personal responsibility and rule of law and civil rights and...we are freedom.

The freedom to worship as you choose. The freedom to drink. Or not. The freedom to listen to whatever music you like. To read any book. To love any one you choose. To speak your mind. To accept differences without cutting each others heads off or kill oneself and innocent others in a blinding flash of suicidal/homicidal mindless rage.

Yeah, we got warts. It comes with the liberty. And it IS killing fundamentalist Islam and it can't kill it fast enough. When the psychopaths realize that they can CHOOSE to live as devout a life as THEY choose all while their neighbor chooses otherwise without animosity or violation of one another's basic human rights and dignity, then fundamentalist Islam can find a seat at the table of man along with fundamentalist Christianity, hippies, atheists, agnostics, every other faith of good will and so on and so forth.

Amen.