Lowering the drinking age?

[outlawrc]

That is quite true.

When I was stationed in Maine, that was the case, indeed. As long as you stayed on the base, you were fine.

Then, there was the local sheriff, or his deputy, that always had a patrol car - parked along side the Post Office building at night , and during the weekends.

The Post Office was approximately1/4 mile from the base entrance!

Brunswick??

 

[bcp]

Was that you I was watching the woman's Olympic marathon with?

I watched it with a few people.
I would have been the one there that wasnt drinking.

I quit drinking around 5 when it became my turn to cook on the big grill, just never started up again that night.

total beers for the day? 5.

 

[my-thyme]

If you're old enough to fight for your country and vote, you should be old enough to drink...

If you are old enough to vote in a presidential election, if you are old enough to live on your own without parental supervision, if you are old enough to fight and die on behalf of your country, then you should be old enough to drink.

I am a firm believer that at 18 you are considered an adult and as an adult you should be able to drink. This has been said a kazillion times, but if you are old enough to die for your country you should be able to drink.

Yeah, ALL that!

I turned 18 in 1981, I was legal to buy.

Sister turned 18 in 1982, the law had changed by then.

When my son came home on leave from the military between the ages of 19 and 21, we allowed him to drink at home. He was in awe that we "granted" him that priviledge, we believed he earned it by being adult enough to choose to go in the military.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I do know that I saw more than one personal friend get buried due to drunk driving when I was a teen. I expect that the numbers will go up again accordingly.

And you think you're the only one? You think teenagers only drove drunk when it was legal?

If so, you might be more ignorant of Modern America than I ever previously thought.

I remember a good number of kids going out to their cars between classes pulling out liquor bottles and drinking down what they could before the bell rang.

The law's ineffective in the first place. It's just like the DC Gun Ban.

Does anyone remember this gem?

Underage drinkers scoring free booze off adults - Kids and parenting - MSNBC.com

 

[LordStanley]

So it's agreed.
Drinking age is lowered to 18 years old, upon which date, you will also be issued a CCW permit (should you pass some required exam/test, of course )

 

[GSXR_MOE]

At 18 I was in Air Force Tech School at Ft Huachuca, Arizona. The drinking age was 18 for the service members due to bases geographic location in relation to Mexico. The military didn't want the service members to cross the boarder just to drink. Now a lot of of my fellow service members were not responsible when it came to drinking, but the same rules applied. If they did something stupid and got an alcohol related incident, the commander hammered their a$$. If you are old enough to drink, you are old enough to suffer the consequences. It really wasn't any different then it is now. When people turn 21, they go out and get drunk.. If they are responsible, they manager their alcohol use and if they are not…..they end up a statistic.

I say if you are old enough to die for your county, you should be able to have a beer. Maybe just make it available to military members….. I mean they give these same Kids guns, tanks and rocket and expect them to be responsible with their actions, but they won't let them they are not responsible to handle alcohol. This sounds like the definition of hierocracy to me.

 

[Penn]

Brunswick??

Correct!! How funny someone recalls that location!

I think we refered to him as "Jonesy".

 

[outlawrc]

Correct!! How funny someone recalls that location!

I think we refered to him as "Jonesy".

Been working in the yard up there for 23 years.

 

[RadioPatrol]

so I can assume that you are not old enough to remember when the age was 18?
there are people that do KNOW what WILL happen.

When I was @ Ft Carson, on base 18 drink all you want in clubs, off Post ... there were 3.2 beer clubs ... for 18 yr olds

policy changed when Co Spgs raised its drinking age ..... but plenty of guys to buy beer in the Class VI store ... or off post

this was 85-87

 

[bcp]

• According to the CDC in 2004, 4,767 teenagers died from fatal car crash injuries.
• From the same report, almost four-hundred thousand other teenagers required medical attention from their injuries sustained in a car collision.
• Teenage drivers are four times more likely to experience a motor vehicle collision than their older driving counterparts are notes the CDC.
• Forty percent of deaths for persons aged 15 to 20 stem from automobile collisions according to the CDC.
• Teen drivers are responsible for twelve percent of all road-related deaths, yet only consist of less than ten percent of the population as a whole according to the Insurance Institute for Health and Safety as well as the CDC.
• The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration notes twenty-three percent of teenage drivers in fatal car wrecks possessed a blood-alcohol level above the legal limit of .08.
• The economic cost of automobile accidents involving teenagers, according to a 2002 CDC report, is a staggering forty billion dollars or more annually.

Clearly, laws prevent teenagers from legally possessing, consuming, or driving under the influence of alcohol, but as reality proves, teen drinking and driving still does occur. According to SADD, nearly three-fourths of high school students consumed alcohol illegally and against the proven facts of danger prior to graduation. The government’s Office of Applied Studies branch notes that three million persons aged twelve to twenty abuse or are dependent on alcohol annually. For many of teens involved in drinking alcohol and risk taking such as driving while under the influence of alcohol, these decisions are at the very least looming indicators of future problems to come. For others, the problems, physical and legal, have already arrived in the form of teenage drunk driving arrests, auto collisions, and physical injuries or even death.

 

[bcp]

So it's agreed.
Drinking age is lowered to 18 years old, upon which date, you will also be issued a CCW permit (should you pass some required exam/test, of course )

CCW is a constitutional right.
drinking at 18 is not.

 

[ylexot]

Screw it. Let's just institute a "rite of passage" test to determine when someone is an adult. Forget this arbitrary age BS. You pass the test and you get to be an adult with all the rights, privelages, and responsibilities that come with it. You fail the test, you live in your parent's basement until you prove yourself.

 

[RadioPatrol]

age brings with it many advantages. (many disadvantages too, but depends are making things better) the greatest advantage is the ability to think beyond that beer in your hand.

you mean there is ........


North Korea (DPRK) 17 Alcohol may legally be consumed or purchased only on Saturdays

 

[pcjohnnyb]

CCW is a constitutional right.
drinking at 18 is not.

Negative. Unfortunately, it is a right to keep and bear arms, but in public or private locations isn't specified. Thus, a CCW isn't a constitutional right (if someone wanted to play that angle, I am all for CCW though )

 

[LordStanley]

• According to the CDC in 2004, 4,767 teenagers died from fatal car crash injuries.
• From the same report, almost four-hundred thousand other teenagers required medical attention from their injuries sustained in a car collision.
• Teenage drivers are four times more likely to experience a motor vehicle collision than their older driving counterparts are notes the CDC.
• Forty percent of deaths for persons aged 15 to 20 stem from automobile collisions according to the CDC.
• Teen drivers are responsible for twelve percent of all road-related deaths, yet only consist of less than ten percent of the population as a whole according to the Insurance Institute for Health and Safety as well as the CDC.
• The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration notes twenty-three percent of teenage drivers in fatal car wrecks possessed a blood-alcohol level above the legal limit of .08.
• The economic cost of automobile accidents involving teenagers, according to a 2002 CDC report, is a staggering forty billion dollars or more annually.

Clearly, laws prevent teenagers from legally possessing, consuming, or driving under the influence of alcohol, but as reality proves, teen drinking and driving still does occur. According to SADD, nearly three-fourths of high school students consumed alcohol illegally and against the proven facts of danger prior to graduation. The government’s Office of Applied Studies branch notes that three million persons aged twelve to twenty abuse or are dependent on alcohol annually. For many of teens involved in drinking alcohol and risk taking such as driving while under the influence of alcohol, these decisions are at the very least looming indicators of future problems to come. For others, the problems, physical and legal, have already arrived in the form of teenage drunk driving arrests, auto collisions, and physical injuries or even death.

Like I said... up the driving age to 21

 

[bcp]

Negative. Unfortunately, it is a right to keep and bear arms, but in public or private locations isn't specified. Thus, a CCW isn't a constitutional right (if someone wanted to play that angle, I am all for CCW though )

keep and bear. I think that pretty much says I can carry in public.

 

[pcjohnnyb]

keep and bear. I think that pretty much says I can carry in public.

How do you figure?
As of now, you can legally bear it in your home in MD. You are afforded your constitutional right to keep (own) a gun, and bear it (albeit, just in your home).

Ugh, this is a stupid arguement because I'm FOR CCW
I'm just saying how I perceive that they can twist the wording to state we are not being denied constitutional rights. Unlike the DC ban, which was unconstitutional.

 

[Penn]

Been working in the yard up there for 23 years.

Do you also recall a motel, on the left, maybe a 1/2 mile past the base entrance; it had a circular driveway with trees between it and the highway, going north?

One night, coming back to the base, the guy sitting next to me, I was driving, - decided to mash his foot down on top of mine - on the gas pedal, and away we flew! Pontiac with a 389ci engine, 4 speed automatic in it!

We passed Jonesy, or the deputy, doing - maybe 90 miles an hour! I said GET OFF MY FOOT! I had some serious driving to do now.

I spotted the motel, with the circular driveway, hit the brakes hard, and pulled in; shut down the lights, and turned the engine off. Foot off the brake!

Jonesy went flying by, lights and siren blaring, a few seconds later!

I waited a minute or so, started the car up, and moseyed on back to the base. We made it home safely, thank God!

Never heard from Jonesy on the matter; he must have noticed what kind of car we were in?

BTW, that is a true story. It did happen like that, as much as I can remember.

 

[bcp]

How do you figure?
As of now, you can legally bear it in your home in MD. You are afforded your constitutional right to keep (own) a gun, and bear it (albeit, just in your home).

Ugh, this is a stupid argument because I'm FOR CCW
I'm just saying how I perceive that they can twist the wording to state we are not being denied constitutional rights. Unlike the DC ban, which was unconstitutional.

all this is nice, but drinking is a privilege, not a right, therefore, it can be controlled by whatever means the government sees fit.

look at it this way, right now sober teens dont exhibit common sense, Im sure you have seen them in their tin can exhaust hondas trying to impress everyone around with their driving ability.

 

[pcjohnnyb]

all this is nice, but drinking is a privilege, not a right, therefore, it can be controlled by whatever means the government sees fit.

look at it this way, right now sober teens dont exhibit common sense, Im sure you have seen them in their tin can exhaust hondas trying to impress everyone around with their driving ability.

Good point
but please tell me, what's the ratio of Honda ricers to total number of teens?