Mandatory tipping?

vraiblonde

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Curious what everyone thinks about this. I like to overtip in cash - 20% is what mediocre servers get and the server's relationship with Uncle Sam has nothing to do with me. Making the tip mandatory isn't a tip, it's a price increase and I think a lot of outstanding servers will end up making less.

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Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
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I'm like you. 20% is a starting place, usually goes up based on service, time of year (better tips at Christmas, etc..). I would have heartburn being forced to give someone a 20% tip if the service and food did not warrant it. That's what a tip is... an indicator of how well you were treated.
 

TPD

the poor dad
Since we seem to like the way Europeans do busines, let’s follow their model - pay servers minimum wage, increase food prices, no tips expected except maybe the coin left over.
 

HemiHauler

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I’d rather do away with tips altogether and not have a vital portion of the service industry rely on the whims of the dining public’s generosity. I too am an extremely generous tipper, but we aren’t the norm.

Almost everyplace else in the world, this is a career and there is post-secondary education available to prepare one for that career in this domain. We here in the US treat food service as ephemeral employment.
 

Tech

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Wife was a server at one of the local dining option 25 years ago. Made $80-$100 cash each day for about 6 hours work each day.
 

black dog

Free America
Since we seem to like the way Europeans do busines, let’s follow their model - pay servers minimum wage, increase food prices, no tips expected except maybe the coin left over.

In most states servers have there own minimum wage, if there tips for the pay period dont add up the difference to regular min wage the employer is supposed to make up the difference under the law for the pay period.
 

Grumpy

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I will do 15% if the service is horrible, usual is 20% and typically I tip 25 to 30% if the service is above average. Had exceptional service at Skipper's Pier a few weeks ago..Group of 16 and this young lady handled it like no one I've ever seen. Food was so-so but the service was unbelievable..She definitely ended up with a 50 to 60% tip and thats across 4 separate checks..everyone was blown away by her.
 

vraiblonde

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Wife was a server at one of the local dining option 25 years ago. Made $80-$100 cash each day for about 6 hours work each day.

That's about what I did at the pizza joint on Friday and Saturday nights 30-some years ago. Weeknights I'd walk out with maybe $50, which was still $10/hr. Back then that was pretty good scratch.

When servers complain that they don't make any money, I think either they or their restaurant sucks.
 

rio

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Most servers I know now days end up making $20/hrs minimum. Bartenders even more.
And back when I was getting tipped, 10% was the starting point, not 20. I don't know why that's doubled, when the price of the food has doubled. And, they still only have to claim 10% for taxes.
 

WingsOfGold

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20% is my benchmark, I've been known to give more or less. One waitress in a Pa Texas Roadhouse tried to refuse her tip saying it was too much. She was exceptional..... and being really cute didn't hurt. The smile on her face when we left made it well worth it. 👍 That being said I can be a prick too, no crushed red pepper or parmigiana cheese at an Italian place will do it and do NOT let my ice tea or beer run dry.
 
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BOP

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Curious what everyone thinks about this. I like to overtip in cash - 20% is what mediocre servers get and the server's relationship with Uncle Sam has nothing to do with me. Making the tip mandatory isn't a tip, it's a price increase and I think a lot of outstanding servers will end up making less.

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Oh, hell no!

My tips start at 20%, but they go to zero when it's mandatory. I won't order online from Ledo Pizza because of that.
 

BOP

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Since we seem to like the way Europeans do busines, let’s follow their model - pay servers minimum wage, increase food prices, no tips expected except maybe the coin left over.
The left is very selective (and flexible) about what parts of European practices they want to see implemented in this country.
 

BOP

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20% is my benchmark, I've been known to give more or less. One waitress in a Pa Texas Roadhouse tried to refuse her tip saying it was too much. She was exceptional..... and being really cute didn't hurt. The smile on her face when we left made it well worth it. 👍 That being said I can be a prick too, no crushed red pepper or parmigiana cheese at an Italian place will do it and do NOT let my ice tea or beer run dry.
This was decades ago, but I had a friend in the Midwest, himself a line cook (like me, at the time) who refused to tip male wait staff. He and I used to go round-and-round over that. I will admit to tipping more to a female waiter - hey, I was in my 20s - but I always tipped a minimum of 10% to a male waiter. And let's face it: 1) most staff in those days were female, and 2) the males weren't all that good at it. Well, not at the Denny's-level placed I both worked and frequented.

My rule of thumb in those days was a dollar for breakfast, two for lunch, and three (or more for supper). Now it's a minimum of 20%. I also don't play that no tip game for bad service, though I did one time at a Marie Callendar's in California, of all places. I also went to the manager and explained to them why I wasn't leaving a tip. I'm pretty understanding; people have bad days. I spent a lot of years working in restaurants, holding down every position except bartender.

I've only had to do it once, maybe twice, but now I ask for a different waiter/waitress. I tell the manager "look, I worked in restaurants for a lot of years, including my grandmother's. People have bad days, and my current waiter/waitress appears to be having a bad day. I'd like someone else to wait on me." They've always been accommodating, but I hope to never have to do that again. I'm not afraid to do it, but it does stress me out.
 

Kyle

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Based on who pushes the table bill higher, rather than provide good service. That’s the restaurant looking out for itself.
 
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