McCain and Bush: Wrong again.

[MMDad]

Not if someone is insuliting "righties" and then tries to tell me they're gonna re-charge their electric car with solar energy. Who's really drinking the kool-aid?

I think he meant "righties" as opposed to "wrongies."

 

[Kerad]

I'm sorry but this is almost funny.

Not unless you only plan to use your car a few times a year - or you have a solar panel a few acres big. Solar absolutely sucks as a primary means of creating electricity. At best, it's a supplemental source of energy.

This may very well be...if the solar energy capabilities were maxed out at today's (or last year's) technology. Fortunately, they're not.

 

[Kerad]

Okay, that one made me laugh. You should have started this off by telling us it is comedy. Or at least put it in the "joke" forum. When you put it in the "politics" forum, people think you're being serious.

Have you ever seen a solar powered car? I have. Do you think that a car that will carry only one person, no cargo, travel a maximum of 30 MPH, and can only be used on bright summer days on roads without trees or tall buildings is even a small part of the solution?

You need to pay attention.

Did I say the car would be solar powered? Nope. The car runs on batteries...the batteries are charged using solar power.


And McCain and Bush are still wrong when it comes to more offshore drilling providing significant, short term relief to our energy prices.

 

[Kerad]

So how efficient would the car be towing around 3 tons of solar panels.. or are you suggesting we only drive the car once a week, and let it recharge it's batteries the rest of the time?

You're wrong, too. See my preceding post.

 

[Kerad]

Not if someone is insuliting "righties" and then tries to tell me they're gonna re-charge their electric car with solar energy. Who's really drinking the kool-aid?

Yeah! And someday we're all going to walk around talking on these skinny little wireless phones that fit in our pockets and receive our calls via satellite.

What is this, Buck Rogers and the World of Tomorrow!?!?!

 

[MMDad]

This may very well be...if the solar energy capabilities were maxed out at today's (or last year's) technology. Fortunately, they're not.

Your lack of knowledge would be funny if it were not so typical of the koolaid drinking crowd. It's not about technology, it's about simple physics. Solar radiation at sea level on a clear day produces about 1KW per square meter. In order to produce an underpowered car of 100 horsepower, a solar panel would have to be 75 square meters, if there could be a 100% efficient solar panel.

If we assume no system losses, a perfect storage system, and you charged a car for 9 hours for every one hour of driving, your solar panels would still need to be about 8 square meters. Add shade, clouds, haze, short winter days, power needed to haul around heavy batteries, and so on it becomes even less efficient.

The "small solar panel" you mentioned earlier could never power a car, even if the technology were perfect. It is just simply not possible.

 

[MMDad]

You're wrong, too. See my preceding post.

I just figured it out! You could use a solar panel to charge the battery over night! The technology will get so good, we won't even need the sun!!!!

As long as the "technology" will allow us to create energy where it doesn't exist, why not be even more efficient and create it WHEN it doesn't exist?

 

[Kerad]

I just figured it out! You could use a solar panel to charge the battery over night! The technology will get so good, we won't even need the sun!!!!

As long as the "technology" will allow us to create energy where it doesn't exist, why not be even more efficient and create it WHEN it doesn't exist?

Good thinking!


Or, if you live in a house that's powered by an electric company's solar array, you could just recharge the batteries by plugging them into the wall.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Yeah! And someday we're all going to walk around talking on these skinny little wireless phones that fit in our pockets and receive our calls via satellite.

What is this, Buck Rogers and the World of Tomorrow!?!?!

I remember my parents telling me the computer was just a luxury, and that they always would be. There would never be a day when computers were used at every single office, school, government building, etc. in America.

I remember the invention of the DVD-ROM. Parents said "Nobody's going to watch TV on their computer screens." Now look at how vastly used Windows Media Center is, and how many people in America have TV Tuners hooked up to their computers. Just about every single television news site in America streams live video coverage online.

I remember when I used to "download" video clips.

"That's a waste of time. You can watch it on the TV. Why would you want to watch a clip from a TV show on a computer?" One word: YouTube.

The invention of Windows.

Now that was amazing.

"Why would anybody want/need a computer mouse?"

And then, there was the laptop.

"They're slow, and expensive. Nobody will ever use laptops because they'll never meet anyones' needs."

 

[chernmax]

Or attach a 50 foot metal poll to your car roof and wait for a lightning bolt to energize the flux capacitor!!! :whistle

 

[This_person]

You don't necessarily need oil/coal to produce electricity. One could charge their electric car's batteries with the power produced from a small solar panel...much like you see already in signs, lights, etc..

Well, sure, that would work great, provided you want to go no further than a few yards every few days.

 

[MMDad]

Good thinking!


Or, if you live in a house that's powered by an electric company's solar array, you could just recharge the batteries by plugging them into the wall.

You said that we could use "a small solar panel...much like you see already in signs, lights, etc.."

You're changing your parameters to match the fact that you are grossly wrong. That's a common tactic for people who are too arrogant to admit they are wrong. It's frequently called "backpeddling."

Go ahead, Kerad. Admit you were wrong. Admit you were regurgitating the koolaid without bothering to learn anything about the truth.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

My parents on DVD: DVDs will never become the standard. Everyone in America has VHS, the DVD is the same thing as a videotape except it's on a smaller disk.



My parents on gas going over $0.99/gal: I don't know how we're going to keep living with $1.00/gal. gas.

Oh, how I would love to go back 10-15 years in a time machine and tell my parents people would watch "Juan Pablo Montoya" win the NASCAR "Sprint Cup Series" TOYOTA 350 over the "internet" on their laptop computers while skipping through entire scenes of a movie (that they burned with their "DVD Burner") with their "DVD" remote because they didn't want to use any of their "$4.00/gallon gas" to go to Wal-Mart and buy it.

They'd probably look at me like I was a madman.

 

[This_person]

And there in lies economic growth!!! You allow people like me and my energy needs for my business to install small reactors. I use no more oil. I use no more coal fired electricity and, AND I feed power to all my neighbors within a viable radius and supply them power on a good neighbor basis; they let me do it. They get free power.

We set up local switching and I tap into the local existing wires and we're attached to the larger local grid for mutual benefit. VIOLA.

As far as coal, hell yeah, if it's so cheap, burn that stuff up. Thing is, a reactor cost is artificially high. We get over our fears and the economics of multiple reactors going in all over the place, price drops.


The MAIN thing is INDEPENDENCE.

Bush should be impeached for this alone. He's a globalist, not an American centric leader. Look at where we are while he played crusader for 7 years.

I don't know about impeached for it, but there was a lot more leadership from many different levels (executive branch, legislative branch, states, industry....) that could have been a hell of a lot better.

 

[itsbob]

You're wrong, too. See my preceding post.

Again, in 1996 Clinton told us there would be no benefit to the country drilling offshore until at least 10 years down the road.

We're ten years down the road.

Now you are repeating the same party line, the same mistakes (sign of retardation) over and over again because there won't be any benefit for at least 5 - 10 year.. and 5 - 10 years from now, when gas is at $7.50 a gallon, you'll repeat the same thing again.. and again when it's $12 a gallon.

You'll keep saying the same thing over and over, do nothing, and expect different results.

Ahh, what the hell, we'll all be talking Farsi and reading the Koran by then anyways.

 

[This_person]

You need to pay attention.

Did I say the car would be solar powered? Nope. The car runs on batteries...the batteries are charged using solar power.


And McCain and Bush are still wrong when it comes to more offshore drilling providing significant, short term relief to our energy prices.

Solar powered cars for more than occaision use by 2 year olds on sidewalks is a technical, uh, I'll be nice and say extremely far reach.

Drilling off shore will not provide relief next week, this is true. However, when thinking in terms of changing the energy supply market, short term means 20 or 30 years, with mid term meaning a century. Alternatives are the long term answer. The only two fixes for short term are to release ALL the oil in the strategic reserve (that'll be smart - maybe some, but not all), or, to subsidize the costs with some other form of income - say a tax on something. So, all that really does is MOVE the cost, not eliminate it.

If you can think of a short term fix for oil costs, please tell everyone. I bet Bush would buy your personal gas for life if you had a real solution.

 

[Kerad]

You said that we could use "a small solar panel...much like you see already in signs, lights, etc.."

You're changing your parameters to match the fact that you are grossly wrong. That's a common tactic for people who are too arrogant to admit they are wrong. It's frequently called "backpeddling."

Go ahead, Kerad. Admit you were wrong. Admit you were regurgitating the koolaid without bothering to learn anything about the truth.

I'm not wrong...though we won't know for sure until the future comes and goes.

I'm talking about future alternative energy sources. I used that as an example of what may be a reality in the next 5-10 years. I also stated that we are not limited to just one technology, eventually all the forms will reduce and eventually replace fuel burning as it's source of power. Who cares if you charge the car using a single solar panel or plug it into your solar powered electrical outlet?

It's still solar. Or wind. Or hydro. Or nukular. Or dustbunnies. But it's not oil.

Hell, in fact there's already a small town of about 1,500 or so in the middle of America (Missouri, maybe) that gets over 100% of it's electricity from a wind farm there. It actually exports excess electricity to other towns.

 

[MMDad]

I'm not wrong...

I knew you didn't have it in you. Thanks for not disappointing.

 

[RadioPatrol]

Get off your mindless regurgitation of anti-Obama talking points. The change being discussed (alternative energy) is very clear as to where it will lead us (alternative sources of energy).

So what kinda car do you drive to save environment ........

how many socialist lawmakers are driving Hybrids ....

if your not riding a bike or driving a Prius, or talking the BUS .... then your like ever other whinny hypocritical Socialist ....

Oh Wait .... your buying Carbon Offsets, like your Messiah Al Bore ...

 

[ImnoMensa]

Alternative energy, my friends...our future is in alternative energy. Not alternative sources of oil.

I predict that the next 5-10 years will see an explosion of alternate energy technology that will greatly reduce our oil supply needs. Why build a bunch of new oil wells now when we will need less oil by the time they would have been of any benefit? They'll be superfluous before they lose that new well smell.

If you really believe that you are dreaming.