McCain and the U.S.S. Forrestal Fire

[forestal]

Yep, he's knows how to lose wars...

McCain Aviation Career
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.

​

Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?
Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
​

Incompetence Or A Stunt
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
​

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

​

The Carrier Oriskany ​

The USS Oriskany came along side to treat the wounded.
​

Wounded Flown Out
They were transferred to other ships.

​

McCain Left With The Wounded​

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred​

The Forrestal Crew
I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

​

 

[bresamil]

Yep, he's knows how to lose wars...

McCain Aviation Career​

McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire. ​

Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?​

Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane. ​

Incompetence Or A Stunt​

'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.​

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design​

In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire. ​

The Carrier Oriskany ​

The USS Oriskany came along side to treat the wounded.​

Wounded Flown Out​

They were transferred to other ships.​

McCain Left With The Wounded​

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred​

The Forrestal Crew​

I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.​

My boss was on that ship with him and that's not how he tells the story. :shrug:

 

[Xaquin44]

-snore-

also, the politics forum, if I remember correctly, is the one below this one.

This is certainly not a current event.

 

[Michael Delaney]

That is not true. Lol!

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[LordStanley]

Yep, he's knows how to lose wars...

McCain Aviation Career
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.

​

Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?
Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
​

Incompetence Or A Stunt
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
​

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

​

The Carrier Oriskany ​

The USS Oriskany came along side to treat the wounded.
​

Wounded Flown Out
They were transferred to other ships.

​

McCain Left With The Wounded​

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred​

The Forrestal Crew
I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

​

wrong again, you freaking tool....

 

[Kyle]

How does having his aircraft hit by a misfired rocket from another aircraft across deck qualify as his fault?

I supposed we all have to ignore the deck cameras footage too.

 

[itsbob]

Yep, he's knows how to lose wars...

McCain Aviation Career
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.

​

Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?
Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
​

Incompetence Or A Stunt
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
​

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

​

The Carrier Oriskany ​

The USS Oriskany came along side to treat the wounded.
​

Wounded Flown Out
They were transferred to other ships.

​

McCain Left With The Wounded​

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred​

The Forrestal Crew
I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

​

Kind of a Stupid place to post this crap.. where 80% of the people that post here now how things on an aircraft carrier work.. or wepaons systems work.. etc.. etc..

This would be much better posted in a Home and Gardens thread where people who don't know would believe it..

Just real quick..

The Admiral that was in Hanoi with him, was awarded the MOH.. how many planes did he crash in his career?

 

[Lugnut]

Kind of a Stupid place to post this crap.. where 80% of the people that post here now how things on an aircraft carrier work.. or wepaons systems work.. etc.. etc..

This would be much better posted in a Home and Gardens thread where people who don't know would believe it..

Just real quick..

The Admiral that was in Hanoi with him, was awarded the MOH.. how many planes did he crash in his career?

And I don't like McCain any more than I like Obama!

 

[LordStanley]

Kind of a Stupid place to post this crap.. where 80% of the people that post here now how things on an aircraft carrier work.. or wepaons systems work.. etc.. etc..

This would be much better posted in a Home and Gardens thread where people who don't know would believe it..

Just real quick..

The Admiral that was in Hanoi with him, was awarded the MOH.. how many planes did he crash in his career?

He's hoping that mindless voters will read this and accept it as fact, not doing their own research to find the truth.

 

[itsbob]

Yep, he's knows how to lose wars...

McCain Aviation Career
McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fired a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.

​

Did He Start The USS Forrestal Fire?
Surviving crewmen and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
​

Incompetence Or A Stunt
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft. 'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
​

Zuni Rockets Were Volatile Design
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start' 'cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

​

The Carrier Oriskany ​

The USS Oriskany came along side to treat the wounded.
​

Wounded Flown Out
They were transferred to other ships.

​

McCain Left With The Wounded​

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred​

The Forrestal Crew
I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

​

132 dead Americans to use as political fodder..

Yep, vote Democrat...

 

[Xaquin44]

132 dead Americans to use as political fodder..

Yep, vote Democrat...

oh come now, I've heard both sides invoke 9/11 in political statements.

neither side really cares about anything but votes.

 

[itsbob]

oh come now, I've heard both sides invoke 9/11 in political statements.

neither side really cares about anything but votes.

Using the dead to fabricate unsubstantiated lies to further their agenda?

Which party has done that concerning 9/11?

And what he posted above would be the equivalent to saying either candidate was a pilot on one of the planes on 9/11...

 

[Xaquin44]

ah, I thought we were just talking about the deaths of americans in political ads in general.

that said, that just looks like some dumb conspiracy theory website unaffiliated with any political candidate.

 

[LordStanley]

ah, I thought we were just talking about the deaths of americans in political ads in general.

that said, that just looks like some dumb conspiracy theory website unaffiliated with any political candidate.

yeah, but If your going to smear, do it with facts.

people buy into these lies without finding the truth themselves

 

[Xaquin44]

yeah, but If your going to smear, do it with facts.

people buy into these lies without finding the truth themselves

agreed 100%

both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of it.

heck, you can find hundreds of examples here.

 

[LordStanley]

agreed 100%

both sides of the political spectrum are guilty of it.

heck, you can find hundreds of examples here.

 

[Homer J]

Excerpts from Wikipedia article on Forrestal Fire:

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About 10:50 (local time) on the 29th, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made near 19°9′5″N 107°23′5″E / 19.15139, 107.38472, an unguided 5-inch Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in a LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on a F-4 Phantom II, was accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external power to internal power.


The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on a A-4 Skyhawk awaiting launch, either aircraft No. 405, piloted by LCDR Fred D. White, or No. 416, View attachment 53787 piloted by future U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate, LCDR John McCain. The warhead's safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of escaping JP-5 fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration.

The impact of the Zuni dislodged two of the 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs, which lay in the burning fuel. The fire teams chief, Gerald Farrier (without benefit of protective clothing) immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. According to their training, the fire team normally had almost three minutes to reduce the temperature of the bombs to a safe level, but the chief did not realize the "Comp. B" bombs were already critically close to cooking-off until one split open. The chief, knowing a lethal explosion was imminent, shouted for the fire team to withdraw but the bomb exploded seconds later - only one and a half minutes after the start of the fire.

Excerpts from Wikipedia article on John McCain:

John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Through 1965, the planes he was flying crashed three times, but he received no major injuries. However, later, once given combat assignments in Vietnam, other naval pilots credited McCain with courage and daring, flying his aircraft to the edge of its performance envelope; this was in contrast to many other pilots who, comparatively, played it safe.


He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control. With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany.

 

[itsbob]

Excerpts from Wikipedia article on Forrestal Fire:

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About 10:50 (local time) on the 29th, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made near 19°9′5″N 107°23′5″E / 19.15139, 107.38472, an unguided 5-inch Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in a LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on a F-4 Phantom II, was accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external power to internal power.


The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on a A-4 Skyhawk awaiting launch, either aircraft No. 405, piloted by LCDR Fred D. White, or No. 416, View attachment 53787 piloted by future U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate, LCDR John McCain. The warhead's safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of escaping JP-5 fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration.

The impact of the Zuni dislodged two of the 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs, which lay in the burning fuel. The fire teams chief, Gerald Farrier (without benefit of protective clothing) immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. According to their training, the fire team normally had almost three minutes to reduce the temperature of the bombs to a safe level, but the chief did not realize the "Comp. B" bombs were already critically close to cooking-off until one split open. The chief, knowing a lethal explosion was imminent, shouted for the fire team to withdraw but the bomb exploded seconds later - only one and a half minutes after the start of the fire.

Excerpts from Wikipedia article on John McCain:

John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Through 1965, the planes he was flying crashed three times, but he received no major injuries. However, later, once given combat assignments in Vietnam, other naval pilots credited McCain with courage and daring, flying his aircraft to the edge of its performance envelope; this was in contrast to many other pilots who, comparatively, played it safe.


He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control. With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany.

Portrays McCain in a LITTLE different light than the ones the Democrats would have you believe..

They just don't get you can't swiftboat a true patriot/ hero, and you can't swiftboat anyone with lies and fabrications..

 

[itsbob]

Excerpts from Wikipedia article on Forrestal Fire:

1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

About 10:50 (local time) on the 29th, while preparations for the second strike of the day were being made near 19°9′5″N 107°23′5″E / 19.15139, 107.38472, an unguided 5-inch Mk-32 "Zuni" rocket, one of four contained in a LAU-10 underwing rocket pod mounted on a F-4 Phantom II, was accidentally fired due to an electrical power surge during the switch from external power to internal power.


The rocket flew across the flight deck, striking a wing-mounted external fuel tank on a A-4 Skyhawk awaiting launch, either aircraft No. 405, piloted by LCDR Fred D. White, or No. 416, View attachment 53787 piloted by future U.S. Senator and Presidential candidate, LCDR John McCain. The warhead's safety mechanism prevented it from detonating, but the impact tore the tank off the wing and ignited the resulting spray of escaping JP-5 fuel, causing an instantaneous conflagration.

The impact of the Zuni dislodged two of the 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs, which lay in the burning fuel. The fire teams chief, Gerald Farrier (without benefit of protective clothing) immediately smothered the bombs with a PKP fire extinguisher in an effort to knock down the fuel fire long enough to allow the pilots to escape. According to their training, the fire team normally had almost three minutes to reduce the temperature of the bombs to a safe level, but the chief did not realize the "Comp. B" bombs were already critically close to cooking-off until one split open. The chief, knowing a lethal explosion was imminent, shouted for the fire team to withdraw but the bomb exploded seconds later - only one and a half minutes after the start of the fire.

Excerpts from Wikipedia article on John McCain:

John McCain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Through 1965, the planes he was flying crashed three times, but he received no major injuries. However, later, once given combat assignments in Vietnam, other naval pilots credited McCain with courage and daring, flying his aircraft to the edge of its performance envelope; this was in contrast to many other pilots who, comparatively, played it safe.


He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments. The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control. With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany.

Portrays McCain in a LITTLE different light than the ones the Democrats would have you believe..

They just don't get you can't swiftboat a true patriot/ hero, and you can't swiftboat anyone with lies and fabrications..

Have to wonder though, how many Purple Hearts does McCain have??

Struck in the legs and chest by shrpnel while trying to save a fellow pilot..

Shot down over Hanoi.. Broken legs, arms.. shoulder..

Tortured to the point he can't even raise his arms above his shoulders..

WOW, why didn't he ask to get of Vietnam early, or refuse an early release from the POW camp.. DAMN those from Priviledged familes!!

Now lets compare military careers with Obama.. oh, wait..

 

[NTNG]

BZ It's bob, BZ!!