Media encourages biden* to end lockdowns
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Louise
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What I read about Ireland, today, made me sad. God bless the World.
Yay! Joe Biden cured Covid!! 
He sniffed it right out of someone, didn't he?Yay! Joe Biden cured Covid!!
SkylarkTempest
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Facts aren't taken into account on this forum.
terbear1225
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exactly which facts are not being taken into account in this thread?
SkylarkTempest
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The ones some posters disagree with or that undermine their worldview.
The world is sooo...much brighter.Yay! Joe Biden cured Covid!!
Cancer is next
Climate change will end along with hurricanes and wild fires
The Middle East will have everlasting peace
The Chinese will become nice to the rest of the world
Iran will stop wanting to drop a nuke on Israel,
Etc, Etc,
terbear1225
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care to be specific? Please spell out the facts that are not being taken into account.
I am genuinely curious what facts you think are not addressed in this thread
AnthonyJames
R.I.P. My Brother Rick
Didn't I ever tell you about my daughter's medical weed card?
AnthonyJames
R.I.P. My Brother Rick
Still swirling.
SkylarkTempest
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My comment referred to the forum in general, but in this thread, post #4. Studies showing lockdowns aren't particularly effective have been released prior to Biden's inauguration and election. It took me all of 10 seconds to find one published back in July.
A country level analysis measuring the impact of government actions, country preparedness and socioeconomic factors on COVID-19 mortality and related health outcomes
In this exploratory analysis, low levels of national preparedness, scale of testing and population characteristics were associated with increased national case load and overall mortality.
www.thelancet.com
This undermines the narrative that the science will suddenly change now that a Democrat is in the White House, therefore it won't exist, won't be addressed, and won't be incorporated into some of the members' worldview.
I'd have to look through other threads to cite the bevy of examples, but off the top of my head I'd say the FACT that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. The election was never going to be overturned. The "Kraken" was never going to be released.
My comment referred to the forum in general, but in this thread, post #4. Studies showing lockdowns aren't particularly effective have been released prior to Biden's inauguration and election. It took me all of 10 seconds to find one published back in July.
A country level analysis measuring the impact of government actions, country preparedness and socioeconomic factors on COVID-19 mortality and related health outcomes
In this exploratory analysis, low levels of national preparedness, scale of testing and population characteristics were associated with increased national case load and overall mortality.www.thelancet.com
This undermines the narrative that the science will suddenly change now that a Democrat is in the White House, therefore it won't exist, won't be addressed, and won't be incorporated into some of the members' worldview.
I'd have to look through other threads to cite the bevy of examples, but off the top of my head I'd say the FACT that there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. The election was never going to be overturned. The "Kraken" was never going to be released.
If you don't like the forum, why are you still here .? Wouldn't Twitter be more to your liking
SkylarkTempest
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On the contrary, I find this forum highly entertaining. It also provides an interesting window into a world of thought I wouldn't otherwise be exposed to. All the conservatives I'm friends with are grounded in reality and value civil discourse. They don't understand the paranoid, conspiratorial, anti-government denizens of Trumpistan any more than I do, but observing their thought process and reactions has helped me conceptualize their internal logic and motivation behind their rationalizations. I didn't fully grasp their willingness to disregard and cherry pick facts, move the goal post, and shamelessly refuse to acknowledge blatant hypocrisy.
Even if I didn't like this forum, why would I ever want to engage with Twitter? That space is just the left-wing equivalent of the brand of reactionary, emotional irrationality one can easily find on any random SOMD forum thread. But I don't need to educate myself in left-wing craziness. I understand the psychology and errors in thinking on that side of crazy. Actually, the most surprising thing I've learned here is how both sides use the same rhetorical tactics and have similar emotional responses.
SamSpade
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Here's the thing about lockdowns. The "science" is in - they don't work. In fact, by keeping people indoors with each other, it actually helps spread the virus faster.
But this has also been KNOWN - for months. Data and observations have been there for coming up to a year. As early as last spring, it was observed that around two thirds of the cases in NYC came from - people BEING INDOORS and sequestering themselves.
It's also been observed in nations where they chose NOT to do it.
It's also been the case in states where governors - usually Republicans - chose not to pursue it. It's been observed in cases where governors - usually Democrats - chose to implement them IN SPITE of the evidence and made it worse. In those cases, the government leadership cited "the science".
(This is one of the reasons I don't value it much when a political leader cites "the science" without attempting to explain why. Yeah, they might be able to trot out a lackey who will just be a dummy with the governor's hand up his butt saying what they want to say - but if they can't explain it themselves, I don't think they have any grasp on what is happening).
"The science" this past year always seems to point to whatever some draconian measure someone wants to make - until they don't want to make it.
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So? Why should anyone care? So it's something everybody - well everyone except persons WANTING to execute lockdowns - knows. Except SUDDENLY these erstwhile dictators have "learned" the science and in the current environment - will be hailed as brilliant leaders, saviors of the republic. It only took a few thousand otherwise avoidable deaths in the meantime.
Sadly - they will be praised by their supporters for fixing a problem they created and made worse.
But this has also been KNOWN - for months. Data and observations have been there for coming up to a year. As early as last spring, it was observed that around two thirds of the cases in NYC came from - people BEING INDOORS and sequestering themselves.
It's also been observed in nations where they chose NOT to do it.
It's also been the case in states where governors - usually Republicans - chose not to pursue it. It's been observed in cases where governors - usually Democrats - chose to implement them IN SPITE of the evidence and made it worse. In those cases, the government leadership cited "the science".
(This is one of the reasons I don't value it much when a political leader cites "the science" without attempting to explain why. Yeah, they might be able to trot out a lackey who will just be a dummy with the governor's hand up his butt saying what they want to say - but if they can't explain it themselves, I don't think they have any grasp on what is happening).
"The science" this past year always seems to point to whatever some draconian measure someone wants to make - until they don't want to make it.
___
So? Why should anyone care? So it's something everybody - well everyone except persons WANTING to execute lockdowns - knows. Except SUDDENLY these erstwhile dictators have "learned" the science and in the current environment - will be hailed as brilliant leaders, saviors of the republic. It only took a few thousand otherwise avoidable deaths in the meantime.
Sadly - they will be praised by their supporters for fixing a problem they created and made worse.