Men made up the rest of the crap.

seekeroftruth

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Matthew 19:1 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
I think women were more like prized stock back then. Very few women were free to live their own lives, as we are now. There were no rules allowing a woman to leave a man.... there were only rules on how a man could release a woman. Men ruled the world.

Remember ladies, we've only had the vote for less than 100 years. Before that we were listed with the livestock on the census... along with the slaves, indentured, and of course our children.

When I divorced my first husband, for sexual immorality, the lawyer told me it would cost more to pursue that path. He said I should sue for "irreconcilable differences". Adultery wouldn't do because it's too hard to prove. Remember, the same laws that gave us divorce also required us to have three witnesses. Who wants to have their love life on the stand three times. Just say "we don't get along" and leave it at that. I couldn't afford to go through a trial, I really couldn't even afford the divorce, and back then it was only $450.

It's a good thing God knows what's going on in our "perfect" little marriages.

Now.... eunuch... do you know what that is? Well, Daniel was one of those eunuchs after the Persians drug him out of Jerusalem and castrated him. He's one who were made eunuchs by others.

Apparently, there were people born without a thing between their legs... eunuchs by birth. They didn't have wives because they couldn't produce children. Why pay for a cow when you are allergic to the milk?

Then there were some who just didn't have sex... the eunuchs by choice. I bet they ran the whorehouses. You know the type... too busy chasing power and money to take on a woman and stinky kids.

Finally, there were the Daniels, mechanically altered.... to be a useful servant, without fear they would be impregnating the rich man's daughter or wife. Remember, Esther had to stay with the other women for a year to prove she was not pregnant before she could sleep with the king. Eunuchs would be the overseers of the "ladies in waiting".

Jesus was saying...." it's better to keep it in your pants than lose it."

Stop trying to get around the law. If you are married, treat each other with love and respect, or at least respect. If you are too busy for a relationship... good on you, leave time in your day for prayer. If you are without equipment... sorry about that.

God made women so men would fit into them.... men made up the rest of the crap.

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vraiblonde

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So....in the event of divorce, it's always the man's fault. If he cats around, he's a scumbag. If she cats around, it's because he didn't treat her nicely so she had to go looking elsewhere. He's the boss and the one who is in charge of the marriage, after all.

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When I got married the first time around as a 19 year old knucklehead, my MIL gave me a sermon about how I was to respect and obey the master of the house and if I did that always I'd have a happy marriage (like her :lol: ). She was an early Dr. Laura.

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands.
~Ephesians 5:22-24


What she (and Dr. Laura) left out was the next part where husbands are instructed to love their wives as Christ loved the church. It wasn't a one-way street - both parties were supposed to contribute to the success of the marriage.

My husband - her son - laughed about this because we were young people of the 80s and not 50s sitcom characters. He wasn't some overbearing dominating jackass like his dad and I wasn't a dingbat housefrau. So that was cool, but his mother was super annoying in her expectation that I be the same bland doormat she was.

When her husband died, we all thought, "Good! Now she can have a life. Better late than never." But she didn't. She was completely helpless without him, withering until she finally died a few months ago. Apparently when she was failing she said something along the lines of, "Now I can be with Paul," and it's like - my god........who would freaking want that???

All of that has only a little to do with the OP, but it's interesting when people claim devotion but only some parts of the Bible and conveniently ignore the rest.
 

SamSpade

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All of that has only a little to do with the OP, but it's interesting when people claim devotion but only some parts of the Bible and conveniently ignore the rest.

Well, yes, because only rednecks wearing wife-beaters interpret Ephesians to mean the wife is property and must be in all manners subservient to her master, her husband. The very PREVIOUS verse says to submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. So it stands to reason that the sense of the usage of the word submit does not imply constant subservience, because everyone can't be subservient to everyone.

The reference is used in the same context as in "in humility count others better than yourself". This is to all Christians. Treat older men as fathers, younger men as brothers, older women as mothers (1 Tim 5:1) - and so on. It just means to treat people with respect. And that's pretty hard to do.

While it was a matter of custom for women not to have any rights, Jesus stoutly defended women when others wanted to do otherwise. The letter also says that a husband must care for and love his wife as Jesus does for the church - even giving, devoting and laying down his life for her. It is human custom that twists the words of the Bible to mean otherwise, because the command from Paul really IS a high bar.

I won't dispute the fact that churches often put women lower than men. THAT is culture. I don't see that as what is intended in the Scriptures. And in that I'm even saying I think Paul capitulated to customs of the times.
 

vraiblonde

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Well, yes, because only rednecks wearing wife-beaters interpret Ephesians to mean the wife is property and must be in all manners subservient to her master, her husband.

Ex-FIL was most definitely not a redneck in a wife-beater. I laughed out loud at the very implication of that.
 

SamSpade

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Ex-FIL was most definitely not a redneck in a wife-beater. I laughed out loud at the very implication of that.
I wasn't trying to imply that. MORE like fighting the image so many conjure about Christianity. Like my sisters.

Actually, my mother's days after my father died sounded a lot like your MIL. She honestly did not have much of a life at all without my Dad. She didn't have hobbies. She didn't read or do things. She had friends, but not friends you DO things with. And she sank into a depression so deep, part of me feels she died the same day as my father. We only just put her ashes in Arlington this past week.

I just hear way too often this caricature of a fundie Christian treating his wife like a God-sanctioned slave. When I hear it, part of me wants to ask "how many really devout Christians do you know?".
 

vraiblonde

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I wasn't trying to imply that. MORE like fighting the image so many conjure about Christianity. Like my sisters.

Ex-FIL wasn't a Christian - I believe he was an atheist. His family was Jewish, although he did not practice Judaism, and he never went to any church that I'm aware of. *She*, however, was raised in Church of Christ with a father who was a Deacon and their whole lives revolved around the church - her parents were the most lovely people you'd ever want to know.

Needless to say, when ex-FIL absconded with their flower of devout southern womanhood, it didn't go over well. Especially when he went with that whole "obey your master cuz the Bible says so" business.

Anyway, while some malcontents have a flawed image of Christians as neanderthals, I do not - and you know that - so whatever nonsense they concoct has nothing to do with me.
 

SamSpade

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*She*, however, was raised in Church of Christ with a father who was a Deacon and their whole lives revolved around the church - her parents were the most lovely people you'd ever want to know.
I went to Church of Christ for many years. More or less my experience aligns with yours. Nice people.
 

gary_webb

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So....in the event of divorce, it's always the man's fault. If he cats around, he's a scumbag. If she cats around, it's because he didn't treat her nicely so she had to go looking elsewhere. He's the boss and the one who is in charge of the marriage, after all.



Yeppers. That's the version I heard.

That and I was always at work.
 

Gilligan

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Yeppers. That's the version I heard.

That and I was always at work.
I learned that returning early and unexpectedly from an extended overseas work trip and arriving home in the middle of the night might not result in the "surprise" you thought it would be. It was a surprise, all right....

But according to the OP, it musta been my fault.
 

vraiblonde

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I learned that returning early and unexpectedly from an extended overseas work trip and arriving home in the middle of the night might not result in the "surprise" you thought it would be. It was a surprise, all right....

But according to the OP, it musta been my fault.

You can't be "head of household" only sometimes. With great power comes great responsibility.

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