Metes and Bounds
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Proof of what?
Probably like when a will is probated. A notice has to be posted in the local newspaper three times.
If all else fails, ask @Ken King.
Possibly a property that has unpaid taxes someone wants to scarf up.
LightRoasted
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They are trying to secure Allodial Title to their land of which a house sits upon. A process started by some that have no mortgage and a way to try and avoid property taxes and land use laws. Unfortunately unlikely it won't work. Most likely they are operating under the sovereign citizen thinking.
They are trying to secure Allodial Title to their land of which a house sits upon. A process started by some that have no mortgage and a way to try and avoid property taxes and land use laws. Unfortunately unlikely it won't work. Most likely they are operating under the sovereign citizen thinking.
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To advertise this notice, to make to "legal", it must be advertised in a number of 'Papers of Record'.
To advertise this notice, to make to "legal", it must be advertised in a number of 'Papers of Record'.
OccamsRazor
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Some background info on Land Patents from Grok:
What Is a Land Patent?
A land patent is an original document from the government that first transfers ownership of land from the public domain (government-owned land) to a private person. Think of it as the "birth certificate" of a piece of property—the very first legal claim that says, "This land now belongs to someone, not the state." It’s how land originally moved from, say, the U.S. government to settlers or buyers way back when.
How It Works
- Historical Context: In the U.S., land patents were big during the 1800s under laws like the Homestead Act (1862). The government gave or sold land to individuals—farmers, miners, railroads—to encourage settlement and development.
- The Process: Someone applied for land (e.g., by living on it or paying for it), and once approved, the government issued a patent. It was signed by a high-up official, like the President, and recorded.
- What It Says: It describes the land (e.g., "160 acres in Section 5, Township 10, Range 3") and names the first owner (the "patentee").
Why It’s Different from a Title
- First Step: A land patent is the starting point of private ownership. After it’s issued, that land gets bought, sold, or inherited, and ownership is tracked through deeds and titles.
- Forever Claim: The patent itself doesn’t change hands—it’s the root of the "chain of title." Every later title traces back to it.
Example
Imagine a settler in 1870 claims 160 acres in Kansas under the Homestead Act. They farm it for five years, prove it to the government, and get a land patent signed by Ulysses S. Grant. That document says, “This land is now John Doe’s.” John sells it later, and the buyer gets a deed, but the patent is the original proof it left government hands.
Modern Relevance
- Still Valid: Land patents aren’t issued much anymore (most U.S. public land is gone), but old ones still underpin property rights. If you own land today, its history likely traces to a patent.
- Sovereign Citizen Angle: Some folks, like sovereign citizens, argue land patents give them supreme rights over property, free from government rules. Courts don’t buy this—it’s a legal relic, not a magic shield.
In short, a land patent is the government’s first "hand-off" of land to a person, kicking off private ownership. It’s simple in concept but foundational to how land became ours. Does that clear it up? Anything else you want to explore?
In any case, this does not belong in PSAs and is being moved.
What Is a Land Patent?
A land patent is an original document from the government that first transfers ownership of land from the public domain (government-owned land) to a private person. Think of it as the "birth certificate" of a piece of property—the very first legal claim that says, "This land now belongs to someone, not the state." It’s how land originally moved from, say, the U.S. government to settlers or buyers way back when.
How It Works
- Historical Context: In the U.S., land patents were big during the 1800s under laws like the Homestead Act (1862). The government gave or sold land to individuals—farmers, miners, railroads—to encourage settlement and development.
- The Process: Someone applied for land (e.g., by living on it or paying for it), and once approved, the government issued a patent. It was signed by a high-up official, like the President, and recorded.
- What It Says: It describes the land (e.g., "160 acres in Section 5, Township 10, Range 3") and names the first owner (the "patentee").
Why It’s Different from a Title
- First Step: A land patent is the starting point of private ownership. After it’s issued, that land gets bought, sold, or inherited, and ownership is tracked through deeds and titles.
- Forever Claim: The patent itself doesn’t change hands—it’s the root of the "chain of title." Every later title traces back to it.
Example
Imagine a settler in 1870 claims 160 acres in Kansas under the Homestead Act. They farm it for five years, prove it to the government, and get a land patent signed by Ulysses S. Grant. That document says, “This land is now John Doe’s.” John sells it later, and the buyer gets a deed, but the patent is the original proof it left government hands.
Modern Relevance
- Still Valid: Land patents aren’t issued much anymore (most U.S. public land is gone), but old ones still underpin property rights. If you own land today, its history likely traces to a patent.
- Sovereign Citizen Angle: Some folks, like sovereign citizens, argue land patents give them supreme rights over property, free from government rules. Courts don’t buy this—it’s a legal relic, not a magic shield.
In short, a land patent is the government’s first "hand-off" of land to a person, kicking off private ownership. It’s simple in concept but foundational to how land became ours. Does that clear it up? Anything else you want to explore?
In any case, this does not belong in PSAs and is being moved.
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I grew up on a farm that was patented/granted in 1690. One of many "pension grants" issued by the crown back in those days. "Say..Colonel...you provided a lifetime of good service to the crown but we're broke..howdja like a couple thousand acres over in the colonies instead?"
NorthBeachPerso
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And that would likely be the Southern Maryland News print edition, although the State loosened up requirements for government Public Notices to allow electronic ones several years ago.
LightRoasted
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It's really not a relic. The financial parasites would like all to think it so. There is plenty of land in the US still held in Allodial, (land patent). Free from all taxation and any and all regulatory bodies, except imminent domain.
Also, once an Allodial property is encumbered by way of a mortgage or other financial instrument, it loses that status and becomes in-fee-simple.
In addition, after the ratification of the US Constitution, all lands in the new States became Allodial in nature. Forever free from the King's due, as well from any State or government seeking to profit from private property.
It's really not a relic. The financial parasites would like all to think it so. There is plenty of land in the US still held in Allodial, (land patent). Free from all taxation and any and all regulatory bodies, except imminent domain.
Also, once an Allodial property is encumbered by way of a mortgage or other financial instrument, it loses that status and becomes in-fee-simple.
In addition, after the ratification of the US Constitution, all lands in the new States became Allodial in nature. Forever free from the King's due, as well from any State or government seeking to profit from private property.
NorthBeachPerso
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There really is no allodial ownership in the US since 99.999999999999999999% of private land is subject to property taxes. Some states have played with allodial title but the owner has to front end pay anticipated taxes out to whatever. And, as you mentioned, what is called allodial in the US is still subject to eminent domain.
Allodial Ownership: The Ultimate Untouchable Asset
When we talk about ownership, most of us assume that buying a home, land, or any valuable item means it’s
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LightRoasted
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Yeah. Nevada did that. When people started to having to take out loans to build a house, the banks attached that land as collateral thereby ensuring that allodial title was lost forever enslaving the people to usury. And even though it is the banks that owned the property; because in actuality they are the ones buying and paying for the property; the tenets just pay the note; the banks don't pay the property taxes making the tenets pay them, and every other associated fees.
There really is no allodial ownership in the US since 99.999999999999999999% of private land is subject to property taxes. Some states have played with allodial title but the owner has to front end pay anticipated taxes out to whatever. And, as you mentioned, what is called allodial in the US is still subject to eminent domain.
Allodial Ownership: The Ultimate Untouchable Asset
When we talk about ownership, most of us assume that buying a home, land, or any valuable item means it’salsett.com
Yeah. Nevada did that. When people started to having to take out loans to build a house, the banks attached that land as collateral thereby ensuring that allodial title was lost forever enslaving the people to usury. And even though it is the banks that owned the property; because in actuality they are the ones buying and paying for the property; the tenets just pay the note; the banks don't pay the property taxes making the tenets pay them, and every other associated fees.
NorthBeachPerso
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This is Maryland so good luck with that.
We did have a situation in the Beach several years ago where a house was demoed and went to tax sale. No one, not the owner and not an investor, redeemed it then the County messed up the FHA paperwork for a tax foreclosure notification so the lot officially didn't have an owner. The Town ended up claiming it for recordation fees. Now before anyone loses their crap over that it was a non-conforming lot, meaning it was even smaller than the 25X100 ones we have in Town, basically a postage stamp that had a four room house on it (Bedroom, bathroom, kitchen, living room).
The post may also be for a Quiet Title action but, again, I don't think an internet forum meets the requirements for public notice.
BOP
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"Oh, and leave yon good wife here with the crown."