MMA/Hughes vs. Gracie...

Larry Gude

Strung Out
...anyone care?

The young lion, Matt Hughes vs. the old lion, Royce Gracie.

There was NO appeal to this fight when announced; Gracie was too old and too far out of the current loop of competition and Hughes is just too strong, has enough experience and too much heart as champ for Royce to even have a chance.

For anyone mildly interested, this is the octagon fighting; Mixed Martial Arts; wrestling, boxing and the technical skills; jujitsu and so forth.

1. You can beat a guy with your fists, elbows, feet and knees (no kicking or kneeing if he is down) and no head butts or eye gouge. You win here by scoring better in the judges eyes or knocking the guy (KO) out or having the ref stop it, technical knock out, if you are pounding him and he is not putting up an effective resistance.

2. You can wrestle him to the ground which gains no statistical advantage is in normal wrestling but it puts you in a better position to attempt #1 or #3...

3. You can submit your opponent by choking or a joint lock where he either taps out (gives up, submits) or you put him to sleep or break the joint.

Hughes has it way over Gracie in #1 and #2 but #3 allows a very skilled fighter the opportunity, the chance of getting a good submission hold on and anyone, literally, can beat anyone with the right hold. Royce made his name by being taken down and then, from his back, finding a submission hold to win.

So, the idea that an old guy not nearly as strong as his younger opponent having a chance to win because of his skill and experience led to at least a chance. Hughes also has lost a few times in the past to arm locks and choke holds, so he had been beaten before. Gracie had never lost.

In the end, it was ZERO contest and Hughes simply beat him into a TKO in about a minute and a half. Gracie got some $1.3 mil for the azz whipping.

The big debate as MMA has risen over the years was always how a Bruce Lee or a Mike Tyson would fare in MMA, in other words, which is the best; the technical arts, boxing or mixed?

There used to be plenty of argument as many MMA guys were simply very good wrestlers who learned to hit or brawlers who could do nothing but hit or guys like Gracie who would break your arm in an instant.

The sport has advanced to where the best fighters would totally dominate the best boxers or technical fighters. It's not even close anymore. This is it.

The best MMA heavy weight in the world is a guy named Fedor Emeliananko from Russia and the dude is a master wrestler and combat martial arts expert and decent boxer. Hughes might be the best middleweight.

Anyway, cool stuff.
 

tugboater

Miller Tang Soo Do Rocks
I payed for the pay per veiw.I got say that Gracie was the man in ufc,but the times have passed him up you need to be a more rounded fighter..I got to say to that Sanchez fight the other guy won not Sanchez.I think they gave it to him because he won a ultimate fighter contract.But I can't wait until UFC 61 Sylvia vs Arlovski 3 and the big one Ortiz vs Shamrock 2.If you don't know there is some very bad blood with Ortiz and Shamrock so this hopefuly will be one of the best fights for 06 in the ufc.
 
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juggy4805

Guest
Ortiz is a monster. I think he is well rounded more than Shamrock. Ortiz is definately a better striker.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Ortiz...

juggy4805 said:
Ortiz is a monster. I think he is well rounded more than Shamrock. Ortiz is definately a better striker.


...like Shamrock, like Gracie, is a has been in the brutal, unforgiving world of MMA.

Because they are BOTH has been's it might be a good fight. Shamrock is, was, when he was on, a better all around fighter than Ortiz, in my opinion, and I love Tito.

Ken has it all, submissions, ground game and has actually become a damn good stand up fighter.
 

tugboater

Miller Tang Soo Do Rocks
Ya this past October 7 I went to Ufc 55 at the Mohegan Sun Arana. All I got to say is wow it's so much better live.I got to shake Chuck Liddells hand and got see Frorrest Griffin Fight.I saw Andrei Arlovski ko Paul Buentello in .15 of the 1 st round.This what Paul was doing :jameo: :jameo: :jameo: after he got up from the mat.So yes I'am a big fan of the ufc and pride fighting.
 

Chain729

CageKicker Extraordinaire
I don't watch TV much, but when MMA fights are on, I'm glued to the TV. I wish I would've seen the fight, but I completely forgot when it was on.

BTW, Larry, Royce Gracie has been beaten before. Look up Wallid Ismael when you get a chance. IIRC, he choked him out their second fight. Ironically, Wallid was trained in BJJ by one of the Gracie's.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Was that...

Chain729 said:
I don't watch TV much, but when MMA fights are on, I'm glued to the TV. I wish I would've seen the fight, but I completely forgot when it was on.

BTW, Larry, Royce Gracie has been beaten before. Look up Wallid Ismael when you get a chance. IIRC, he choked him out their second fight. Ironically, Wallid was trained in BJJ by one of the Gracie's.


...a UFC fight? Someone made a claim and I think it was that he was undefeated in UFC itself, which excludes a bunch of his fights.
 

tugboater

Miller Tang Soo Do Rocks
On the ufc web site he 13-1-2.I know that he has done some fighting over in Japan and done right good they said.I just looked up his pride fighting record 1-1-1 and mma record is 12-2-2.Over in pride I think just about all of the Gracie fight there.
 

Chain729

CageKicker Extraordinaire
Larry Gude said:
...a UFC fight? Someone made a claim and I think it was that he was undefeated in UFC itself, which excludes a bunch of his fights.


I don't remember, but that's probably the case. I'm trying to look it up, but I'm having issues getting half the sites on the net to come up :ohwell:
 
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