More Liberal Honesty

SkylarkTempest

Active Member
They are videos showing the leftist media praising Soleimani - a terrorist. You cannot dispute what is right there on film.

You linked to an article that referenced the Washington Post story, that's what I responded to. I'm not aware of the "film" you're referring to. Please provide sources. At least we can agree that the WaPo and MarketWatch stories were accurately reporting how Soleimani is viewed in the Islamic world.
 

CPUSA

Well-Known Member
Does anyone think Sapidus has ANOTHER ACCOUNT
Yup..It's gonna start off neutral...then it will go to, "at least we can agree"...
before this thread burns out, I predict SkylarkTempest will be calling us all racist for disagreeing with whatever far fetched racist strawman he's gonna create out of Salami mommy = bad brown man...
 

SkylarkTempest

Active Member
Not all of them. Social media is lit up with Iranians who fled the regime praising Trump for getting rid of one of their murderous thugs. I have no doubt that many Iranian citizens are expressing regret simply because they'll be tortured or killed if they don't.

Sure. There's always going to be pockets of dissent in any society. Like I said in my post, he was a divisive figure. But hundreds of thousands of people don't gather to mourn because they're scared. They may be brainwashed by propaganda, but he was a very popular figure. Killing him will have greater repercussions than other lesser-known figures. The Iranian government has already vowed to retaliate, restarted their nuclear program, and prompted the Iraqi government to end all US presence in the region. That means in 8-12 months we could be dealing with a nuclear Iran without troops in Iraq and diminished influence in the Middle East. We can discuss the merits of assassinating him in the first place, but even if completely justified, will it have been worth it?
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
Sure. There's always going to be pockets of dissent in any society. Like I said in my post, he was a divisive figure. But hundreds of thousands of people don't gather to mourn because they're scared. They may be brainwashed by propaganda, but he was a very popular figure. Killing him will have greater repercussions than other lesser-known figures. The Iranian government has already vowed to retaliate, restarted their nuclear program, and prompted the Iraqi government to end all US presence in the region. That means in 8-12 months we could be dealing with a nuclear Iran without troops in Iraq and diminished influence in the Middle East. We can discuss the merits of assassinating him in the first place, but even if completely justified, will it have been worth it?

The term assassinating does not apply. He was a terrorist, and was responsible for killing others. Is Trump a terrorist? I will answer that question. He is a terrorist because the Left has gone spastic and brainless because he interrupted their agenda. He saw the writing on the wall when he was a Dem and hobnobbed with them. So, he ran for Prez, and won. Obviously, the people who voted for him saw it, too. This whole thing reminds me of Girl Interrupted. :killingme
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Sure. There's always going to be pockets of dissent in any society. Like I said in my post, he was a divisive figure. But hundreds of thousands of people don't gather to mourn because they're scared. They may be brainwashed by propaganda, but he was a very popular figure. Killing him will have greater repercussions than other lesser-known figures. The Iranian government has already vowed to retaliate, restarted their nuclear program, and prompted the Iraqi government to end all US presence in the region. That means in 8-12 months we could be dealing with a nuclear Iran without troops in Iraq and diminished influence in the Middle East. We can discuss the merits of assassinating him in the first place, but even if completely justified, will it have been worth it?

I want to point something out:

We have a large number of Iranian immigrants in this country. They are here owning homes, owning businesses, and living as Americans.

How many Americans emigrate from the US to go live in Iran?

Why do you suppose that is?
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
I want to point something out:

We have a large number of Iranian immigrants in this country. They are here owning homes, owning businesses, and living as Americans.

How many Americans emigrate from the US to go live in Iran?

Why do you suppose that is?

That is an excellent reply. I deleted one of my posts, after I read this. Thanks for your insight.
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
Sure. There's always going to be pockets of dissent in any society. Like I said in my post, he was a divisive figure. But hundreds of thousands of people don't gather to mourn because they're scared. They may be brainwashed by propaganda, but he was a very popular figure. Killing him will have greater repercussions than other lesser-known figures. The Iranian government has already vowed to retaliate, restarted their nuclear program, and prompted the Iraqi government to end all US presence in the region. That means in 8-12 months we could be dealing with a nuclear Iran without troops in Iraq and diminished influence in the Middle East. We can discuss the merits of assassinating him in the first place, but even if completely justified, will it have been worth it?

Yes.
 

SkylarkTempest

Active Member
I want to point something out:

We have a large number of Iranian immigrants in this country. They are here owning homes, owning businesses, and living as Americans.

How many Americans emigrate from the US to go live in Iran?

Why do you suppose that is?

Uh...because Iran is an economically depressed authoritative theocracy?
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Quoting brietbart while you complain about ‘liberal honesty’, now that’s funny.

See, there you go. Didn't even bother to watch the attached video, of the left's own words praising a terrorist.

You never disappoint in your failures MR.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
You linked to an article that referenced the Washington Post story, that's what I responded to. I'm not aware of the "film" you're referring to. Please provide sources. At least we can agree that the WaPo and MarketWatch stories were accurately reporting how Soleimani is viewed in the Islamic world.

Oh for cripe's sake! Here's the video from Youtube. I would have posted it directly from Youtube but i couldn't find it at the time.

 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Sure. There's always going to be pockets of dissent in any society.

The amount of people against him are not "pockets of dissent". They're pretty much the mainstream.

Like I said in my post, he was a divisive figure. But hundreds of thousands of people don't gather to mourn because they're scared.

A. There weren't "hundreds of thousands" gathered to mourn. There weren't tens of thousands. There were thousands.
B. There's little to no evidence they were gathered to "mourn". It was a VERY carefully scripted ceremony (the words of the BBC, not mine).

They may be brainwashed by propaganda, but he was a very popular figure. Killing him will have greater repercussions than other lesser-known figures.

Really? I'm shocked that killing a general will have greater repercussions than killing a private, or a LT. Your insight is very well heeded, because I'm not sure anyone would have known that.

The Iranian government has already vowed to retaliate, restarted their nuclear program, and prompted the Iraqi government to end all US presence in the region.

The Iranian government has already been "retaliating". This is nothing new. This is something very old. In 1953, they nationalized their oil fields, which started this whole mess, so the CIA and MI6 (inappropriately) led a coup, which was step 2 of the mess. The rest is history, but Iran drew first blood almost 70 years ago (I'm negating the hundreds of years before that of holy war waged by Muslims against, well, everybody). Iran vowing "death to America" is not exactly a new thing. Killing this general did exactly zero to foster hate against America in the Iranian government.

They never ended their nuclear program. There's no way to "restart" something that never ended.

The Iraqi government did not end all US presence in the region. The Iraqi government doesn't have the authority to do that. The most they could do is end the agreement with the US for presence in Iraq, not "the region"; and, they didn't do that. They voted to begin to think about the possibility of a plan that might maybe sorta one day work to end US presence in Iraq. That's a wholly different thing.

That means in 8-12 months we could be dealing with a nuclear Iran without troops in Iraq and diminished influence in the Middle East. We can discuss the merits of assassinating him in the first place, but even if completely justified, will it have been worth it?

A nuclear Iran has been an inevitability since the Obama administration. The completely unenforceable agreement between Mr. Obama (not the United States, just Obama himself, because Obama never took it to the Senate so it never was an enforceable agreement) and Iran actually allowed for the Iranian government to build nuclear bombs, just not today. They winked back and said, "suuuuuure we won't".

So, was a drastic change in policy "worth it"? The question is certainly not that simplistic. We know what this general was doing with the Qud Force - was NOT doing anything to stop them "worth it"? Hundreds of American soldiers' husbands, wives, sons, and daughters may think it was worth retaliating for their loved ones' deaths the way this general's daughter wants retaliation for her daddy's death. The fact is, more people are going to die - but more people were going to die anyway, thanks to this general. Only God knows if the end number is going to be higher now, or would have been higher with him alive and killing us.

"Worth it" implies that there's a potential any war-related death is "worth it". In my opinion, no war-related death is worth it. They probably shouldn't have started it. We probably shouldn't have helped oust Mossadeq. Ayatollah Khomeini probably shouldn't have kidnapped our diplomatic people and held them for well over a year, and we shouldn't have had Jimmah Carter as a feckless CIC who did essentially zero about it. We definitely shouldn't have "accidentally" shot down a passenger plane over the Gulf. They definitely shouldn't be funding and arming Hezbollah. We shouldn't have given them weapons thinking they were going to fight Hezbollah.

All of this because they wanted to nationalize oil fields funded and agreed to with the UK. Was their oil money "worth it"? Probably not. Doing the wrong thing rarely is, and it leads to other people having to do the wrong thing either in retaliation or in self-preservation/self-defense. The only thing "worth it" at this point is for all sides to lay down their arms and leave each other alone.

That ain't happening - on either side.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Does anyone think Sapidus has ANOTHER ACCOUNT

I am unable to grasp what kind of demented mind MUST create new personas constantly on a web forum.
I've had this one for 17 years, and I had one prior to that but I don't have the email account connected to it, so I dropped it.

I have accounts on other forums I've had for more than twenty years - no changes.

Why does anyone feel the need to do this? Is it because being blocked just ticks them off?
 
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