More Muslim Retardation

[AK-74me]

http://www.startribune.com/722/story/959083.html

AMMAN, Jordan - A Jordanian man fatally shot his 17-year-old daughter whom he suspected of having sex despite a medical exam that proved her chastity, an official said Thursday.
The man surrendered to police hours after the killing, saying he had done it for family honor.

The crime is the first "honor killing'' reported this year in Jordan, where many men consider sex out of wedlock to be an almost indelible stain on a family's reputation. On average, about 20 women in the country are killed by their relatives in such cases each year. Women have been killed for simply dating.

A state forensic pathologist, who works at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine in Amman where an autopsy was performed, said in a phone interview that the girl had run away from home several times for unknown reasons.

Weeks ago, the girl had returned home from a family protection clinic after doctors had vouched for her virginity and the father had signed a pledge not to harm her, the pathologist said on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the case.

"The tests proved that she was a virgin,'' the pathologist said. The girl returned home only after her father signed a statement promising not to harm her, he added.

The father shot the girl four times in the head on Tuesday. On Wednesday, an autopsy was performed that again showed "she was still a virgin,'' the pathologist said.

Authorities have not disclosed the names of the father or the daughter or even their hometown, saying only that they lived in a southern province.

The crime is the first "honor killing'' reported this year in Jordan, where many men consider sex out of wedlock to be an almost indelible stain on a family's reputation. On average, about 20 women in the country are killed by their relatives in such cases each year. Women have been killed for simply dating.

Global human rights organizations have condemned such killings and appealed to King Abdullah II to end to them.

In response, the government has abolished a section in the penal code that allowed for "honor'' killers to get sentences as lenient as six months in prison. Instead, the government has told judges to consider honor killings on a par with other homicides, which in Jordan are punishable by up to 15 years in jail.

But attempts to introduce harsher sentences have been blocked by conservative lawmakers who argue that tougher penalties would lead to promiscuity.

Queen Rania also has called for harsher punishment for such killers.

 

[SkinkTyree]

I think that's called just plain retardation. Religion doesn't have anything to do with it.

So-called "honor-killings" are a cultural, not religous, phenomenon.

 

[ylexot]

I wonder if there's a way to spread rumors about pre-marital sex and have them kill themselves off. PsyOps?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Ahhhh yes, the peaceful religion rears it's ugly head once again.

 

[Lenny]

http://www.startribune.com/722/story/959083.html

The authors forgot to blame the violence on the presence of Amreican troops in Iraq where they're not wanted and where they cause strangers to kill each other and the American troops for no real reason.

This killing and Muslim killings elsewhere in the world point out the fact that these people are naturally violent and would be killing each other whether George W. Bush was president or not.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

This killing and Muslim killings elsewhere in the world point out the fact that these people are naturally violent and would be killing each other whether George W. Bush was president or not.

Kinda like Pitts & Rotties....

 

[AK-74me]

I think that's called just plain retardation. Religion doesn't have anything to do with it.

So-called "honor-killings" are a cultural, not religous, phenomenon.

But the religon of peace..... blah, blah....

Dosen't matter to me, Muslim's want to make that claim, I want to point out all the instances they contradict.

 

[Sharon]

How many shoot their sons if they suspect them having sex?

 

[PrchJrkr]

How many shoot their sons if they suspect them having sex?

They teach the sons to make IEDs and bomber vests.

BTW, the duck in your AV looks like it's holding Pixie's AV.

 

[Sharon]

BTW, the duck in your AV looks like it's holding Pixie's AV.

It's the same cartoonist.

http://www.nataliedee.com/index.php

I love black licorice...
http://www.nataliedee.com/012007/thanks-black-licorice.jpg

 

[ylexot]

BTW, the duck in your AV looks like it's holding Pixie's AV.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[AK-74me]

Nuckelsack,

Sure if they want to claim the ROP

 

[SkinkTyree]

You do know that this is not something under any type of Muslim law, right?

In that particular region of the world, "honor killings" dates back to the days of the Code of Hammurabi (you know, the "eye for the eye", etc. law), long before Mohammed came to the mountain.

In other words, it's a cultural thing, not a religous thing.

Obviously, I'm not excusing the practice--it's quite barbaric--but if you are going to criticize something, you have to get your facts right, and not insinuate things which don't in fact exist.

 

[AK-74me]

You do know that this is not something under any type of Muslim law, right?

In that particular region of the world, "honor killings" dates back to the days of the Code of Hammurabi (you know, the "eye for the eye", etc. law), long before Mohammed came to the mountain.

In other words, it's a cultural thing, not a religous thing.

Obviously, I'm not excusing the practice--it's quite barbaric--but if you are going to criticize something, you have to get your facts right, and not insinuate things which don't in fact exist.

Ok, but under Sharia this would be considered exceptable punishment, and Sharia Law is a "muslim thing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

 

[SkinkTyree]

Ok, but under Sharia this would be considered exceptable punishment, and Sharia Law is a "muslim thing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

Well, hell, if we're going with Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

"Honor killing is forbidden in Islam.[14] There is no specific mention of the practice in the Qur'an or Hadiths. An honor killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against the woman, and is technically forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Some Islamic religious authorities and Muslims, disagree with extra-legal punishments such as honor killing and prohibit it, since they consider the practice to be a cultural issue.[15] They believe that since certain pre-Islamic cultures have influence over a number of Muslims, murderers of females use Islam to justify honor killing, even though there is no support for the act in the religion itself. However, honor killings cannot always be punished according to many interpretations of Islamic law, as murders are a type of "qisas" ("retaliation") crime. This means that the deceased's family should be offered the choice of capital punishment or "diya" ("blood money") and no execution can take place without them opting for death. Because a relative(s) is responsible for the honor killing, it is unlikely that the deceased's family will punish one of their own for the crime."

P.S.: Pursuant to the Code of Hammurabi, one who cites Wikipedia shall have Wikipedia cited against them in response.

 

[AK-74me]

Well, hell, if we're going with Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

"Honor killing is forbidden in Islam.[14] There is no specific mention of the practice in the Qur'an or Hadiths. An honor killing, in Islamic definitions, refers specifically to extra-legal punishment by the family against the woman, and is technically forbidden by the Sharia (Islamic law). Some Islamic religious authorities and Muslims, disagree with extra-legal punishments such as honor killing and prohibit it, since they consider the practice to be a cultural issue.[15] They believe that since certain pre-Islamic cultures have influence over a number of Muslims, murderers of females use Islam to justify honor killing, even though there is no support for the act in the religion itself. However, honor killings cannot always be punished according to many interpretations of Islamic law, as murders are a type of "qisas" ("retaliation") crime. This means that the deceased's family should be offered the choice of capital punishment or "diya" ("blood money") and no execution can take place without them opting for death. Because a relative(s) is responsible for the honor killing, it is unlikely that the deceased's family will punish one of their own for the crime."

P.S.: Pursuant to the Code of Hammurabi, one who cites Wikipedia shall have Wikipedia cited against them in response.

I am not arguing that "honor killings" existed before Islam, so your are right maybe "honor killing" isn't necesarily a religous thing, but alot of Muslim practices and beliefs are extreme like this and that is what I was trying to illustrate by linking the Sharia article.

And no I am not saying all Muslims believe in Sharia or these other extreme practices.

But if you want to keep defending the religon of PEACE when one their members kills their own daughter for having a pre-marital relationship feel free to continue.

P.S.- you are right though, pre-martial sex is only worth 100 lashes, I looked at extra martial relationship punishment which is stoning to death, sorry. So I'll take back what I said in post #15 partially.

 

[forestal]

Maybe he's just taking his book too seriously. The bible has some things that shouldn't be taken literally...

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

 

[SkinkTyree]

I am not arguing that "honor killings" existed before Islam, so your are right maybe "honor killing" isn't necesarily a religous thing, but alot of Muslim practices and beliefs are extreme like this and that is what I was trying to illustrate by linking the Sharia article.

And no I am not saying all Muslims believe in Sharia or these other extreme practices.

But if you want to keep defending the religon of PEACE when one their members kills their own daughter for having a pre-marital relationship feel free to continue.

P.S.- you are right though, pre-martial sex is only worth 100 lashes, I looked at extra martial relationship punishment which is stoning to death, sorry. So I'll take back what I said in post #15 partially.

If you read Levitical law, which comes from the same region of the world, and also is derived and influenced from the Code of Hammurabi as well, it comes off just as harsh on many things.

Not that all Jews and Christians follow Levitcal law literally, just as not all Muslims follow Sharia law literally. And neither am I saying Levitical and Sharia law are part and parcel with the cultures they developed out of.

The problem, again, is that you are confusing culture with religion. And someone acting pursuant to old cultural values/customs/mores is not the same as someone acting pursuant to their religion.

 

[Azzy]

I think that's called just plain retardation. Religion doesn't have anything to do with it.

So-called "honor-killings" are a cultural, not religous, phenomenon.

Whatever the cause, religion/culture, those people are like animals.