Mueller’s ‘Scarlet Letter’ Impeachment Road Map

[GURPS]

Nathaniel Hawthorne, call your office. Hester Prynne, your fictional protagonist, had a scarlet letter “A” imprinted on her dress, to wear in public and thus advertise to the end of her life her adulterous relationship. Hester was ostracized, a punishment visited on Donald Trump by various public- and private-life segments of the Never Trump coalition: academics, Hollywood and above all, left-wing mainstream press. Hester, doing penance to the end of her life, stuck to her knitting; Trump, for the remainder of his first term, and perhaps, for a full second term, plans to stick to his — being president.

Not if the Democrats have anything to say about it. And they do. With the “Russia collusion” narrative so effectively torched by the first volume of the Mueller Report — even Adam Schiff is tossing it (however belatedly) — the focus shifts to the second volume of the report. Therein its authors examine what constitutes in law an “obstruction of justice.” It was this area that doomed the presidency of Richard Nixon, 45 years ago. Nixon resigned when told by GOP congressional leaders that he had three votes in the House, and upon impeachment there he would be convicted in a Senate trial. Special counsel Leon Jaworski named “RN” as an “unindicted co-conspirator” in the “Watergate” scandal cover-up.

https://spectator.org/muellers-scarlet-letter-impeachment-road-map/

 

[Gilligan]

In Nixon's case...and Hillary's....there was actual obstruction/hiding of actual criminal behavior. LOTS of it...in both cases.

 

[Hijinx]

If he is not guilty of a crime that isn't a crime, how can he be guilty of obstructing the guy who found him not guilty.

The Democrat controlled House is no longer a viable part of a Government for the people, they are a subservient part of the Democrat party.

 

[Kyle]

They've been talking of impeaching him since he was elected.

This won't stop until it costs the democrats dearly.

 

[stgislander]

Gerald Ford said, "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment...."

 

[Midnightrider]

Gerald Ford said, "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment...."

That is the truth.


Any of you guys actually read the report yet?

 

[Hijinx]

Ford was right. It only takes a majority of the House.

And when the majority of the House is filled with people having the brain deficiency of maxine waters, Schitt, and Nadler. WTH?

 

[CPUSA]

That is the truth.


Any of you guys actually read the report yet?

Yup...

It says President Trump is innocent of everything...

 

[stgislander]

That is the truth.


Any of you guys actually read the report yet?

Working on it.

 

[TCROW]

Yup...

It says President Trump is innocent of everything...

Who read it to you?

 

[This_person]

That is the truth.


Any of you guys actually read the report yet?

Yes. Absolutely no spelling out of a crime, or recommendation of prosecution for any crime related to the investigation in the first place for the President, his family, or anyone in the campaign for actions during the campaign.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Yes. Absolutely no spelling out of a crime, or recommendation of prosecution for any crime related to the investigation in the first place for the President, his family, or anyone in the campaign for actions during the campaign.

Has the DoJ ever prosecuted a sitting President?

 

[Chris0nllyn]

If he is not guilty of a crime that isn't a crime, how can he be guilty of obstructing the guy who found him not guilty.

The Democrat controlled House is no longer a viable part of a Government for the people, they are a subservient part of the Democrat party.

You can still be charged with obstruction even if you didn't commit an underlying crime. Mueller said so in the report.

Trump has no one to blame but himself, IMO. He may not have comitted the crime but his actions certainly tried to. Per Mueller's report and Barr's summary, he failed to do so because his staffers refused to follow his instructions.

If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests. Comey did not end the investigation of Flynn, which ultimately resulted in Flynn's prosecution and conviction for lying to the FBI. McGahn did not tell the Acting Attorney General that the Special Counsel must be removed, but was instead prepared to resign over the President's order. Lewandowski and Dearborn did not deliver the President's message to Sessions that he should confine the Russia investigation to future election meddling only. And McGahn refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President's direction to have the Special Counsel removed, despite the President's multiple demands that he do so.

 

[This_person]

Has the DoJ ever prosecuted a sitting President?

To the best of my knowledge, of the 44 people who have been president, none have done something they considered a crime while in office.

However, it was repeatedly pointed out to us that they could be prosecuted post-presidency, which is why Nixon was pardoned.

So, by not recommending that he be prosecuted post-presidency, they pretty much determined there was nothing for which he should be prosecuted.

After the HRC thing, Comey came out and explained the crime, but said no one would prosecute - not that it wasn't prosecutable.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

To the best of my knowledge, of the 44 people who have been president, none have done something they considered a crime while in office.

However, it was repeatedly pointed out to us that they could be prosecuted post-presidency, which is why Nixon was pardoned.

So, by not recommending that he be prosecuted post-presidency, they pretty much determined there was nothing for which he should be prosecuted.

After the HRC thing, Comey came out and explained the crime, but said no one would prosecute - not that it wasn't prosecutable.

Right. The DoJ has a long-standing policy of not prosecuting a sitting President. Hence why you didn't see what you said.

As was spelled out in the report:

With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.

 

[This_person]

Right. The DoJ has a long-standing policy of not prosecuting a sitting President. Hence why you didn't see what you said.

As was spelled out in the report:

Yet, it IS possible to prosecute post presidency.

So, the reasonable explanation for no recommendation for prosecution is that they found insufficient evidence to do so.

 

[Hijinx]

You can still be charged with obstruction even if you didn't commit an underlying crime. Mueller said so in the report.

Trump has no one to blame but himself, IMO. He may not have comitted the crime but his actions certainly tried to. Per Mueller's report and Barr's summary, he failed to do so because his staffers refused to follow his instructions.

If his staffers stopped him he didn't commit a crime, Isn't that pretty simple?

You cannot be charged wit a crime if you were merely pissed off and thinking about one.
If I ordered an idiot to rob a bank and the idiot didn't do it how can i be charged.

The point is this thing should be over and we move on and the Democrats try to do something useful instead of screwing around trying to hang Trump.

 

[Grumpy]

From the report:
With respect to whether the President can be found to have obstructed justice by exercising his powers under Article II of the Constitution, we concluded that Congress has the authority to prohibit a President's corrupt use of his authority in order to protect the integrity of the administration of justice.

Mueller knew the D hysteria was going on in Congress, he was hired to find right and wrong and what does he do?? He and his bloodthirsty Democrat staff put statements like this in his report to throw more gas on the fire set by the loony left side in Congress. He wants to see America burn, what an azz.

 

[Midnightrider]

If his staffers stopped him he didn't commit a crime, Isn't that pretty simple?

You cannot be charged wit a crime if you were merely pissed off and thinking about one.
If I ordered an idiot to rob a bank and the idiot didn't do it how can i be charged.

The point is this thing should be over and we move on and the Democrats try to do something useful instead of screwing around trying to hang Trump.

There are a lot of people convicted of attempted murder for trying to hire someone to kill their spouse. Just because the guy doesn’t carry your illegal order threw does not mean you are innocent of all crimes.

 

[SamSpade]

There are a lot of people convicted of attempted murder for trying to hire someone to kill their spouse. Just because the guy doesn’t carry your illegal order threw does not mean you are innocent of all crimes.

Soooo - there's such a thing as "conspiracy to commit obstruction of a non-crime" or "attempted obstruction"?

Is that worse than - you know - ACTUALLY destroying evidence?