My rant against Republicans

[valentino]

Are you suggesting that the US invade another country and disrupt their status quo?



And please explain to me why Darfur is the US's "problem"? Are they a direct threat to us?

Invade, maybe not, the degree of the problem has not been overstated in Darfur, but I am not sure an invasion would fair any better there than it is in Iraq. We have been told over and over that the invasion of Iraq was to liberate the people, well either we have done that, and they are taking over again, or we really have not done it and things are worse now than they were under Sadamm.

Small analogy, that seems to make sense, although wars and such are much more complicated. Let's just say you do not like me, for whatever reason, then I come to your house and kill your whole family. Are you going to like me more or less at that point? I would venture to guess less, and it seems to me that as complicated as feelings can be during war, the simple everyday fears and or loss of your family would feel just the same. We were mad about 9/11 and should be, they are mad about is invading, not much of a difference, innocent people are being killed, ones that want nothing but to go on about their daily lives.

 

[valentino]

Do you even have a clue about Darfur?

We are the saviors of the beaten down, tired and poor... Liberating Iraq is working out so well I figured we could liberate some others as well.

 

[valentino]

Great response

Not sure of validity, just did a search

 

[valentino]

You almost had me up to that point.. we are safer.. how many thousands of innocent American civilians have died since 9/11??

The insurgents are there becasue they want to take over Iraq and implement Shia law.. be another offshoot of Iran.

If we weren't there, or if we pulled out tomorrow, I would bet Iran would invade and have control over a good portion of the Middle East oil. Then we'd haev to go back and fight a unified Middle East.. Iran, Syria, Iraq, Jordan.. all the while they train and prepare killer teams to attack us where we live.

Depends on if you count the soldiers, and the ones that are injured for life, mentally or physically and would rather be dead. I was talking to someone about a young man who just returned from Iraq, and cannot drive down the road locally because there are too many cars and simple noises make him crazy. That to me seems like a simple act, but he can no longer perform it, which makes the simplicity of just coming home and everything being okay so much different.

I do not disagree with why they are there after the fact, but they would not be there if we were not there, and obviously the Iraqi army is not prepared to take them on alone, so that leaves us, in a war that we never thought we would have to fight so long on the ground. We seem to be sitting ducks in a sense because they know their own land well better than we do, and again, small numbers can take out many.

 

[ylexot]

Not sure of validity, just did a search

I didn't see the cost of WWII adjusted for inflation anywhere in there :shrug:

 

[Larry Gude]

Why is there ANY quibbling about Iraq?

...we, the people, spoke for a new direction.

It is now time for Pelosi and Reid to put their money where there mouth is and show the way to this new direction. Bush has crippled himself with Iraq and is the lamest of ducks for the next two years, losing both Houses. He will get NOTHING done that they don't approve of. The Piper has come and he must be paid. That's a given. They're running the show now.

And guess what? 2008 is coming and if we, the people, aren't happy, Pelosi and Co. face losing their new jobs and another GOP President.

 

[vraiblonde]

We have been told over and over that the invasion of Iraq was to liberate the people, well either we have done that, and they are taking over again, or we really have not done it and things are worse now than they were under Sadamm.

Well, good news! The Iraq war is getting ready to become a brilliant victory and everyone there will be cheering in the streets with love for the US.

 

[aps45819]

that leaves us, in a war that we never thought we would have to fight so long on the ground.

Were you under the impression that a changing from a dictatorship to a representive government was going to only take a couple of weeks?

 

[SouthernMdRocks]

Nope, not going to say something I do not believe, but I do think we went in too fast, and in all the wrong ways. Oh, but where is Bin Laden, the supposed reason for all of this? How many americans died just last month, and for what gain?

What about Darfur, think they need liberating, or better yet just some sort of saving grace from the atrocities?

Say what you will, and I could care less if I am not part of your somd clic, there have been mistakes in this "mission" and it is far from accomplished, but not because of the terrorists completely, because we misunderestimated the backlash and the degree of power small groups can have. We could really have learned a lot from 9/11, but now we are less safe, secure, and calm in our surroundings than ever before.

Insurgents...they are only insurging because we are there, and in their eyes trying to take over the arab world, whether they like it or not.

Anyway, it is getting late, and to be honest I want to make the best of this day I have waited a long time for.

Bye and have a great day enjoying what you have been longly waited for. Just as you said, today starts the "but now we are less safe, secure, and calm in our surroundings than ever before". Right to the point!

 

[Pushrod]

Invade, maybe not, the degree of the problem has not been overstated in Darfur, but I am not sure an invasion would fair any better there than it is in Iraq. We have been told over and over that the invasion of Iraq was to liberate the people, well either we have done that, and they are taking over again, or we really have not done it and things are worse now than they were under Sadamm.

Small analogy, that seems to make sense, although wars and such are much more complicated. Let's just say you do not like me, for whatever reason, then I come to your house and kill your whole family. Are you going to like me more or less at that point? I would venture to guess less, and it seems to me that as complicated as feelings can be during war, the simple everyday fears and or loss of your family would feel just the same. We were mad about 9/11 and should be, they are mad about is invading, not much of a difference, innocent people are being killed, ones that want nothing but to go on about their daily lives.

Valentino (appropriate pen name),
I think you have your analogy slightly backwards. THEY came to our house and killed our family. We are over in the middle east now making sure THEY don't do it again!

If we pull out now, the radicals over their have won, they will know to beat the great USA all they have to do is bloody our noses for a while and we will lose heart. Then it's back to the status quo of blowing up our embassies, soldiers and ships, and more atrocities on our own soil.

I guess you are Hoplophobic and want the 2nd Amendment protection removed from the Constitution so that you can FEEL safer because your sure that the government can protect you from any evil doers, and that us peons are not trustworthy enough to sanely and safely handle any weapons. You probably may not admit it, but you are on the "Turn em all in" bandwagon.

If so, Sir, you are the truly deluded, one of the "sheep" who just wants the "Nanny State" to take care of you and limit your decisions so you don't get too confused. Yes, you Sir, will be one of the "Sheeple" that will destroy this country and everything it stands for. It will be a fall of a once great nation.

The Republicans HAVE screwed up, by disparaging their voter base, they needed a spanking in the election to get them back on track, but to elect in freedom hating anti-Constitutionalists is paramount to Treason, and anyone who is sworn in to uphold and protect the Constitution, all of the Constitution, and then works against any part of it is GUILTY of TREASON and should be dealt with accordingly!

 

[Homesick]

Valentino (appropriate pen name),
I think you have your analogy slightly backwards. THEY came to our house and killed our family. We are over in the middle east now making sure THEY don't do it again!

If we pull out now, the radicals over their have won, they will know to beat the great USA all they have to do is bloody our noses for a while and we will lose heart. Then it's back to the status quo of blowing up our embassies, soldiers and ships, and more atrocities on our own soil.

I guess you are Hoplophobic and want the 2nd Amendment protection removed from the Constitution so that you can FEEL safer because your sure that the government can protect you from any evil doers, and that us peons are not trustworthy enough to sanely and safely handle any weapons. You probably may not admit it, but you are on the "Turn em all in" bandwagon.

If so, Sir, you are the truly deluded, one of the "sheep" who just wants the "Nanny State" to take care of you and limit your decisions so you don't get too confused. Yes, you Sir, will be one of the "Sheeple" that will destroy this country and everything it stands for. It will be a fall of a once great nation.

The Republicans HAVE screwed up, by disparaging their voter base, they needed a spanking in the election to get them back on track, but to elect in freedom hating anti-Constitutionalists is paramount to Treason, and anyone who is sworn in to uphold and protect the Constitution, all of the Constitution, and then works against any part of it is GUILTY of TREASON and should be dealt with accordingly!

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Pushrod again."


Beautiful!

 

[valentino]

Valentino (appropriate pen name),
I think you have your analogy slightly backwards. THEY came to our house and killed our family. We are over in the middle east now making sure THEY don't do it again!

If we pull out now, the radicals over their have won, they will know to beat the great USA all they have to do is bloody our noses for a while and we will lose heart. Then it's back to the status quo of blowing up our embassies, soldiers and ships, and more atrocities on our own soil.

I guess you are Hoplophobic and want the 2nd Amendment protection removed from the Constitution so that you can FEEL safer because your sure that the government can protect you from any evil doers, and that us peons are not trustworthy enough to sanely and safely handle any weapons. You probably may not admit it, but you are on the "Turn em all in" bandwagon.

If so, Sir, you are the truly deluded, one of the "sheep" who just wants the "Nanny State" to take care of you and limit your decisions so you don't get too confused. Yes, you Sir, will be one of the "Sheeple" that will destroy this country and everything it stands for. It will be a fall of a once great nation.

The Republicans HAVE screwed up, by disparaging their voter base, they needed a spanking in the election to get them back on track, but to elect in freedom hating anti-Constitutionalists is paramount to Treason, and anyone who is sworn in to uphold and protect the Constitution, all of the Constitution, and then works against any part of it is GUILTY of TREASON and should be dealt with accordingly!

Point taken, although it seems that they were angry with our medlings in previous events.

I agree, I do not think we can realistically pull out now, I am not one of those that feels we should pull out now at all, it would not make sense. I would have preferred to have handled things differently from the beginning, but we are past that now and just have to work with what we are given. I find it odd that Bush blames the crats for not preparing the troops well enough for battle, but that may be another story in itself.

You are also wrong about my feelings on the 2nd Amendment, I have at least 2 or 3 guns in the house, 3 what some would consider "killer" dogs that I am very proud to have rescued from either abuse or death. It is okay though, we all make assumptions, I am just as guilty.

You are the Sheeple in my eyes as well, so we are even there.

I love my freedom, especially the one that allows me to contradict and say what I wish on these boards and elsewhere. By referring that I should not be allowed to do so, or saying that I should be beat up or shot for doing so, only proves my point that you are the one who is really against freedom. It would be nice if freedom really was just that, but apparently everyone has their own opinions on what makes them free to do things, and everyone else is prohibited of doing or not doing.

 

[Pushrod]

Point taken, although it seems that they were angry with our medlings in previous events.

I agree, I do not think we can realistically pull out now, I am not one of those that feels we should pull out now at all, it would not make sense. I would have preferred to have handled things differently from the beginning, but we are past that now and just have to work with what we are given. I find it odd that Bush blames the crats for not preparing the troops well enough for battle, but that may be another story in itself.

You are also wrong about my feelings on the 2nd Amendment, I have at least 2 or 3 guns in the house, 3 what some would consider "killer" dogs that I am very proud to have rescued from either abuse or death. It is okay though, we all make assumptions, I am just as guilty.

You are the Sheeple in my eyes as well, so we are even there.

I love my freedom, especially the one that allows me to contradict and say what I wish on these boards and elsewhere. By referring that I should not be allowed to do so, or saying that I should be beat up or shot for doing so, only proves my point that you are the one who is really against freedom. It would be nice if freedom really was just that, but apparently everyone has their own opinions on what makes them free to do things, and everyone else is prohibited of doing or not doing.

Valentino, I never said you should be beat up or shot. I said any politician who commits treason against their oath should be CHARGED with Treason and appropriately punished. Excuse me for assuming you were anti-2nd Amendment. It's just that anyone who would vote in either O'Maley or Cardin who are both anti-2nd Amendment, either didn't bother researching their candidates (which is shameful) or don't care for their Constitutionally protected rights.

And also, yes, I would fight and die for your right to say what you want, whether I believe in it or not, but when unConstitutional actions are taken that result in the loss of any of our freedoms, I will be the first to throw a stone.

 

[Pushrod]

Also Valentino,
Any person who strives to be self reliant and free most definitely is not a "sheep".

Anyone who lets the government decide how any aspect of their life is led, outside of imposing on another's liberty, is acting as a "sheep".

 

[Pushrod]

And while I'm at it, I am a registered Republican, but I don't vote one party across the ticket. I do my research into the candidates and vote for those that support Freedom. This time was about 50/30 Rep/Dem, with no votes in several sections because of no (for me) appropriate candidate.

It wouldn't bother me if it was 100% democrat in both houses, as long as they followed the law of the Constitution to the letter, and oust any blackrobe that tries to interpret it other than it was meant to be!

 

[valentino]

Also Valentino,
Any person who strives to be self reliant and free most definitely is not a "sheep".

Anyone who lets the government decide how any aspect of their life is led, outside of imposing on another's liberty, is acting as a "sheep".

It was actually "2nd Amendment" that said he wanted to teach me a karate lesson...and someone else wanted show me the business end of a AK-47...

I am not sure how I sit on the being self reliant, but I think I am doing a pretty good job at it...I get no help from government, and would have rather had my $300 refund go towards schools or something of that sort. In fact I donated way more than that in clothes, goods and time to Katrina victims and local organizations, so being self reliant and help others do the same is a big deal to me.

Outside of imposing on another's liberty, I thought that is what it was all about??? Most of us would not like to think of ourselves as sheep, I see blind faith as being sheep like, religious or political. My votes were based on well researched ideas of who I wanted to be in charge, it did not matter as much which party they were in as much as if in my opinion they could bring change to the country, or state. There seems to have never been a perfect candidate in any race, they all have some sort of bad moments in their past, and I feel like voting based on road signs or TV ads is just silly anyway. Honestly, I would prefer people not vote at all if you are voting based on a sign, ad or even straight down partly lines, that is not why the voting system is in place, or at least that is not how it should be. So, imposing on liberties, I try not to take part in, but at the same time, my freedom of speech sometimes causes others to lose their love for fellow man, or at least fellow US citizen.

 

[aps45819]

it seems that they were angry with our medlings in previous events.

Those wackos are still pizzed about the Crusades

 

[valentino]

Those wackos are still pizzed about the Crusades

Yeah, that was so not a big deal at all...

 

[ylexot]

Yeah, that was so not a big deal at all...

Are you still pissed at Britain?

 

[Toxick]

Yeah, that was so not a big deal at all...

It was a huge deal.






A THOUSAND YEARS AGO.