NAS CO on Traffic Issues
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Cheeky1
Yae warsh wif' wutr
Utilizing more than one gate guard per lane is a great idea!
However, the 2nd guard standing 4 or 5 car lengths ahead of the 1st guard is no better than having just one. The 2nd guard ought to stand 15 to 20 ft (maximum) ahead of the 1st.
I've seen the lane with 2 guards [operating it] move no faster than the lanes with one guard.
However, the 2nd guard standing 4 or 5 car lengths ahead of the 1st guard is no better than having just one. The 2nd guard ought to stand 15 to 20 ft (maximum) ahead of the 1st.
I've seen the lane with 2 guards [operating it] move no faster than the lanes with one guard.
OK. Perhaps you or others could be trained, screened, and help out on your days off by allowing active duty military or hired government police officers to have days/time off as well.
Or maybe your commands could stagger starting times to address gate entrance backups during this "crisis".
Not being mean or cynical here. Just realistic. Money/time does not affect just you, but everybody. Plan on leaving your home for work a bit earlier than normal.
That's because most people out there can't figure out that you're supposed to go to the SECOND guard and not stop at the FIRST guard you come to at the gate. Everyday, I see someone stop there, only to be waved through to the next guard. A little situational awareness that extends beyond the hood of you car would help. If you have the capacity to do that...
CrashTest
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About a month after 9/11, I was at a large army base in the midwest. They were using only 2 lanes but with 5 guards per lane. Even though the back up was about 1 mile long, cars never stopped moving and you made it thru the gate in just a few minutes. The army is pretty good at moving tons of people and vehicles across land in a short period of time. The navy, probably not as good.
Um.........The Navy is the one who moves the Army.
If you think it's so easy, why don't you go stand a gate guard watch and see how fun it is.
Here's some simple things to do when you go through the gate;
1) Have your window down before you get to the guard
2) Turn your radio off
3) Dim your head lights to parking lights (if you can)
4) Have your ID/CAC in your hand read to hand it to the guard
5) If it is raining, turn off your windshield wipers (nothing like getting water flung at you when you are already soaked)
6) LOOK at the guard and listen to them
7) Pay attention to what is going on around you
8) Stop talking on your bluetooth, give the guard your full attention
If everyone does the above there won't be any issues at the gate and the back up would be half of what it is. When I stood gate guard duty (not at Pax though) you wouldn't believe what I saw people doing when they came through the gate, eating, talking on the phone, playing with the radio, dealing with their kids, everything BUT giving the guard their attention. There was lots of people who thought they were more important and too busy to give the guard their full attention and acted like it was such an inconvenience for them to show me their ID.
Hell, just the other day I was behind someone who held up the line while they sat there looking for their CAC...........after sitting in line for 10 minutes.
So, before you start complaining about having to wait to get through the gate, how many of you are willing to get out there and do that job in the pouring cold rain.
Also, no one is forcing you to work on the base, you can always find another job that is not on base, then you won't have to worry about getting through the gate.
Um.........The Navy is the one who moves the Army.
actually Greyhound or the Air Force Moved My Units around in the 80's
CrashTest
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Um.........The Navy is the one who moves the Army.
The navy moves people and vehicles across water. The army moves people and vehicles across land. I think I mentioned land in my comment.
We also provide your air cover since it take the Air Force two weeks to show up.
It take them two weeks to cut the per diem checks.
Grunts are good, but can't do squat, and really don't want to (who would?), until they by common sense and sound military doctrine, follow SEALs, Recon, other Spec Ops and air power, loosening things up and opening safe insertion for them.Then they can do the things they excell at - winning, if the politicians let them.
Army boots on the ground sure appreciate those things.
BOP
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That's because most people out there can't figure out that you're supposed to go to the SECOND guard and not stop at the FIRST guard you come to at the gate. Everyday, I see someone stop there, only to be waved through to the next guard. A little situational awareness that extends beyond the hood of you car would help. If you have the capacity to do that...
You're forgetting where you are.
Just sayin'
BOP
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The debate has been raging quietly since WWII as to whether the Army has more watercraft than the Navy (during WWII, it did). Most reliable sources say "no, they don't," but the Army does have a sizeable fleet at around 200 total. None of them armed like the Navy's ships, and none of them in the aircraft carrier, battleship, or even destroyer classes (or submarines), but some fairly sizable craft for carrying heavy equipment and so on.
SeaPower - April 2007
Many dog-faces count pontoons and the like as "watercraft," and claim the Army has more than the Navy, but somehow, I doubt that's true, even using the "flexible" accounting system.
Army's 'best kept secret' floats | Article | The United States Army
"The Army has more boats than the Navy," said Chief Warrant Officer 2 Tom Heald. "Most people don't realize the size of our fleet."
more boats then the Navy, more planes than the Air Force [until they handed them over in a deal involving Helicopters - most of which was before my time]
the AF keeps trying to get rid of the Warthogs, claiming a mach 2 jet can do the same ground support JOB as the A-10 ...
from what I have read, the truth is, A-10's are slow and not glamorous as flying an F-16, F-15 or the newer F-35's
the AF keeps trying to get rid of the Warthogs, claiming a mach 2 jet can do the same ground support JOB as the A-10 ...
from what I have read, the truth is, A-10's are slow and not glamorous as flying an F-16, F-15 or the newer F-35's
itsbob
I bowl overhand
More boats than the NAVY, and more aircraft than the Air Force. It's a true statement. You have more of a chance in the Army to pilot and steer a boat than in the Navy, and more chances to be a Pilot than the Air Force.