NASCAR lowers the boom on JGR!

AndyMarquisLIVE

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NASCAR.COM - NASCAR levies severe penalties against Gibbs - Aug 20, 2008

:faint: :shocking: :yikes:

Both the Nos. 18 and 20 cars were found to be in violation of:
• Section 12-4-A (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 8-9 (competitive analysis -- from time to time, NASCAR may determine, in the interest of competition, that it is necessary or appropriate to undertake an analysis of the performance capabilities of a car, car part, component or equipment. The Competitor shall take whatever steps are requested by NASCAR Officials for this purpose. NASCAR also has the right to seal or impound cars, car parts, components and/or equipment for this purpose);
• Section 12-4-Q (1): (car, car parts, components and/or equipment used that do not conform to NASCAR rules, detailed in Section 20A of the 2008 NASCAR Rule Book, or has not been approved by NASCAR prior to the event, or is not required for the normal functional operation of the race car, or has been altered to detract from or compromise its integrity or effectiveness, whether operational or not);
• Section 12-4-K: (when NASCAR Officials mandate inspection during the Event, if any car, car parts, components, and/or equipment which have been used in the Event are taken from the racing premises without permission of a NASCAR Official, or are tampered with by any member of the team or anyone associated with the team: Magnetic spacer attached under the gas pedal with the intent of compromising the chassis dynamometer test).
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• Both of the drivers -- Joey Logano of the No. 18 and Tony Stewart of the No. 20 -- have been penalized with the loss of 150 championship driver points and placed on probation until Dec. 31. Joe Gibbs, owner of both of the cars, has likewise been penalized 150 championship owner points for each of those entries.
• Both crew chiefs -- Ratcliff and Rogers -- have been fined $50,000 and indefinitely suspended.
• From the No. 18 team, car chief Dorian Thorsen, engine tuner Michael Johnson, and crew member Toby Bigelow have been placed on indefinite suspension.
• From the No. 20 team, car chief Richard Bray and engine tuner Dan Bajek have been indefinitely suspended.
• In addition, the entire Nos. 18 and 20 Nationwide Series teams have been placed on NASCAR probation until Dec. 31.
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INDEFINITE SUSPENSION! :faint:
 
AndyMarquisLIVE

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I'm thinking NASCAR believes Smoke and Sliced Bread placed the magnetic spacers under the accelerator under a yellow track condition.
 
clevalley

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
:yeahthat: Putting Joey and Smoke on probation for that is :bs:.
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I agree Andy, what does the driver have to do with an inspection? Makes no sense to me...

Fine the team, dock points, suspend the crew chiefs, whatever - but don't penalize the drivers... just does not make any sense.

I feel bad for Joe Gibbs as he probably had no clue on this one... I would hope he would make an example out of whoever did this.
 
GWguy

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clevalley said:
I agree Andy, what does the driver have to do with an inspection? Makes no sense to me...

Fine the team, dock points, suspend the crew chiefs, whatever - but don't penalize the drivers... just does not make any sense.

I feel bad for Joe Gibbs as he probably had no clue on this one... I would hope he would make an example out of whoever did this.
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Sorry, but I have a REAL tough time believing that the drivers knew nothing and were innocent, especially someone like Smoke. They may not have actually done it, but gotta think they were more than aware of it.

One car? Ok, crew did it, maybe the driver didn't know. More than one car from the same owner? Nawwww.....
 
clevalley

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GWguy said:
Sorry, but I have a REAL tough time believing that the drivers knew nothing and were innocent, especially someone like Smoke. They may not have actually done it, but gotta think they were more than aware of it.

One car? Ok, crew did it, maybe the driver didn't know. More than one car from the same owner? Nawwww.....
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I don't believe they knew...

NASCAR is not the NASCAR we grew up with. The drivers are not intimate with the everyday going on with the team schedules, car builds, inspections and such. They have their own schedules to follow to satisfy the sponsors.

During practice sessions, qualifying and race day - sure, they are all up in the garage and setup. But after the race, they get whisked away to go home for the weekly schedule until it comes time for their practice session...
 
GWguy

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clevalley said:
I don't believe they knew...

NASCAR is not the NASCAR we grew up with. The drivers are not intimate with the everyday going on with the team schedules, car builds, inspections and such. They have their own schedules to follow to satisfy the sponsors.

During practice sessions, qualifying and race day - sure, they are all up in the garage and setup. But after the race, they get whisked away to go home for the weekly schedule until it comes time for their practice session...
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Maybe, maybe not. Apparently NASCAR thought so or they wouldn't have cited the drivers.

And it HAD to have been done between the time the driver left the car and it got impounded for post-inspection. Any earlier and it would have degraded the car's performance when they needed it the most at the end of the race.
 
clevalley

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GWguy said:
Maybe, maybe not. Apparently NASCAR thought so or they wouldn't have cited the drivers.

And it HAD to have been done between the time the driver left the car and it got impounded for post-inspection. Any earlier and it would have degraded the car's performance when they needed it the most at the end of the race.
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This is true! :lol:

But if it was done between the time the driver left the car and got impounded it seems to me like the driver is still less likely to be involved.

Bottom line - someone was trying to hide something! :yay:
 
Sweet 16

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
:yeahthat: Putting Joey and Smoke on probation for that is :bs:.
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:yeahthat:
Especially since it is the Busc......er.....Nationwide series. Tony is neither a full-time driver nor is he contending for a championship, so points and double-secret probation don't mean much. Despite their technical and mechanical know-how, I don't believe the drivers were in on it.
 
AndyMarquisLIVE

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GWguy said:
Apparently NASCAR thought so or they wouldn't have cited the drivers.
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:bs:

NASCAR penalized the drivers because it sends a message that crew members doing something illegal will sabotage the driver as well. It's consistent. The reason the drivers were put on probation is because they are part of the team. The whole team was put on probation. NASCAR believes this was done in the postrace, after the drivers got out of the cars.
 
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Sweet 16 said:
:yeahthat:
Especially since it is the Busc......er.....Nationwide series. Tony is neither a full-time driver nor is he contending for a championship, so points and double-secret probation don't mean much. Despite their technical and mechanical know-how, I don't believe the drivers were in on it.
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Probation for Smoke is nothing. He's spent most of his NASCAR career on probation. :killingme

:insertcokezeroadhere:

"That'll probably get us suspended"

"Oh come on Tony, you shouldn't have a problem with that"

:killingme:killingme:killingme
 
gary_webb

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It's a team sport. One (or more) team member breaks the rules the whole team suffers. Anyone naive enough to think JGR wasn't experimenting with this tactic in N'wide for later use in the Cup series?
 
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