Nascar needs to sit Edwards down

DipStick

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Baja28 said:
Especially after his antics at Gateway Saturday. He's going to kill someone. :boo:
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Yep.

I can't defend Brad though. If you're going to try to wreck someone on the last lap, make sure you finish the job so they can't return the favor. You could see that one coming.

Brad and Carl will probably kill each other on a NASCAR race track. That wasn't "have at it boys" racing, that was Carl not caring about anyone's safety (not just Brad but the other 10 drivers who were in that melee). Roid rage?
 
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Mdbtyhtr

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He was trying to learn that Brad Kezelowski not to rub him at all! Long time issue, goes back to Atlanta race. Rubbin' is racing, but wreckin' is damn expensive!

Scott
 
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Mdbtyhtr said:
He was trying to learn that Brad Kezelowski not to rub him at all! Long time issue, goes back to Atlanta race. Rubbin' is racing, but wreckin' is damn expensive!

Scott
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Both races, Atlanta and Gateway -- those were both serious crashes and someone could've been hurt.

NASCAR doesn't seem to care though.
 
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retiredweaxman

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DipStick said:
Both races, Atlanta and Gateway -- those were both serious crashes and someone could've been hurt.

NASCAR doesn't seem to care though.
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Are you kidding me???

NASCAR is loving this!!! Their actions are causing people to talk about the race days later thus creating interest, suspense and anticipation for the next race.

If someone were to get hurt, NASCAR would only say, "Well, it is a dangerous business."
 
cattitude

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retiredweaxman said:
Are you kidding me???

NASCAR is loving this!!! Their actions are causing people to talk about the race days later thus creating interest, suspense and anticipation for the next race.

If someone were to get hurt, NASCAR would only say, "Well, it is a dangerous business."
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I tend to agree somewhat. People have been complaining that the sport has become too vanilla..too PC. So NASCAR is letting 'em race a bit more like they used to ...and people are still complaining.
 
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Mdbtyhtr

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I have raced Nascar Late Model Stock Cars for 30 years. I asked a driver to be pulled into the trailer for wrecking our car three weeks in a row. I was told in no uncertain terms the following: "You think that this is a racing sport, it is not, it is entertainment and we compete with every other form of entertainment for the discretionary dollar. Your car getting tore up is a bad thing, but that guy in the stand is going to tell his coworker and his neighbor and both of them are going to be sitting in the stands with him next week." I got schooled. Nascar is getting free advertising here and on every other form of media talking about this incident. They are absolutely eating this up. If they do anything, it will be something too soft or too hard, to keep the conversation going. All drivers know every inch of their car or they would not have made it to this level of competition. The polite aw shucks I didn't mean to bump him is pure BS and designed for the PC sponsors. The drivers know what is up and how they will get back, and they will get back! They take the money the life style and the risk, and the cars are safer now more then ever. Let 'em race!

Scott
 
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cattitude said:
I tend to agree somewhat. People have been complaining that the sport has become too vanilla..too PC. So NASCAR is letting 'em race a bit more like they used to ...and people are still complaining.
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I don't have a problem with hard racing, I do have a problem with Carl Edwards intentionally wrecking drivers without regard of their safety. Not to mention all the other cars he tore up because of his 'roid rage.

They sit people out of baseball games for that kind of behavior.
 
DipStick

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Mdbtyhtr said:
I have raced Nascar Late Model Stock Cars for 30 years. I asked a driver to be pulled into the trailer for wrecking our car three weeks in a row. I was told in no uncertain terms the following: "You think that this is a racing sport, it is not, it is entertainment and we compete with every other form of entertainment for the discretionary dollar. Your car getting tore up is a bad thing, but that guy in the stand is going to tell his coworker and his neighbor and both of them are going to be sitting in the stands with him next week." I got schooled. Nascar is getting free advertising here and on every other form of media talking about this incident. They are absolutely eating this up. If they do anything, it will be something too soft or too hard, to keep the conversation going. All drivers know every inch of their car or they would not have made it to this level of competition. The polite aw shucks I didn't mean to bump him is pure BS and designed for the PC sponsors. The drivers know what is up and how they will get back, and they will get back! They take the money the life style and the risk, and the cars are safer now more then ever. Let 'em race!

Scott
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What track was this?
 
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retiredweaxman

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DipStick said:
I don't have a problem with hard racing, I do have a problem with Carl Edwards intentionally wrecking drivers without regard of their safety. Not to mention all the other cars he tore up because of his 'roid rage.

They sit people out of baseball games for that kind of behavior.
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OK Dip - educate me.

To me, hard racing means bumping. It means forcing people out of the way. It means riding people into the wall.

It is not up to Edwards to worry about anyone's safety but his own. It is up to NASCAR and the opponent's team to worry about their rider's safety.

Using your own sports reference, do you think Darrelle Revis will hold up on a hit to an opponent's WR because "he might get hurt?" Hell no!!! As long as the hit is clean and within the rules (not to the head), there is no suspnesion.

Your reference using baseball is weak as there is NO physical contact (besides bat hitting the ball) allowed in that sport.

NASCAR allows hard racing and is allowing the drivers to do what they want to do. My guess is your favorite driver got "taken out" last weekend by a more agressive driver and you are upset. My advice to your driver - become more agressive and play within the rules like everyone else and do not expect special treatment.
 
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retiredweaxman said:
OK Dip - educate me.

To me, hard racing means bumping. It means forcing people out of the way. It means riding people into the wall.

It is not up to Edwards to worry about anyone's safety but his own. It is up to NASCAR and the opponent's team to worry about their rider's safety.

Using your own sports reference, do you think Darrelle Revis will hold up on a hit to an opponent's WR because "he might get hurt?" Hell no!!! As long as the hit is clean and within the rules (not to the head), there is no suspnesion.

Your reference using baseball is weak as there is NO physical contact (besides bat hitting the ball) allowed in that sport.

NASCAR allows hard racing and is allowing the drivers to do what they want to do. My guess is your favorite driver got "taken out" last weekend by a more agressive driver and you are upset. My advice to your driver - become more agressive and play within the rules like everyone else and do not expect special treatment.
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In football, you don't make helmet-to-helmet contact with another player. In baseball, you don't intentionally hit the batter with the ball. In hockey, you don't hit someone in the face with a hockey stick. In basketball, you don't punch someone in the face.

There's a difference between racing hard for the win and moving them up the track (like Kez did the Carl) and putting them HEAD ON in the wall on the straightaway (like Carl did to Kez twice). That wasn't hard racing, that was a malignant foul. It was not clean, it was about as dirty as one can get. If that had happened at Potomac Speedway, the black flag would've been waving.

Carl didn't intend to use the bump-and-run on Kez, he didn't even intend to spin him. He intended to wreck him. That's why he turned BK head-on in to the wall. He intended to take him out.
 
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retiredweaxman

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DipStick said:
In football, you don't make helmet-to-helmet contact with another player. In baseball, you don't intentionally hit the batter with the ball. In hockey, you don't hit someone in the face with a hockey stick. In basketball, you don't punch someone in the face.

There's a difference between racing hard for the win and moving them up the track (like Kez did the Carl) and putting them HEAD ON in the wall on the straightaway (like Carl did to Kez twice). That wasn't hard racing, that was a malignant foul. It was not clean, it was about as dirty as one can get. If that had happened at Potomac Speedway, the black flag would've been waving.

Carl didn't intend to use the bump-and-run on Kez, he didn't even intend to spin him. He intended to wreck him. That's why he turned BK head-on in to the wall. He intended to take him out.
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OK Dip - If I am to accept your reasoning, then answer me this. You pointed out some interesting comparisons "helmet to helmet, etc." If those infractions occur, the respective leagues institute fines, sanctions, etc in a reasonable amount of time. Assuming the whole body of NASCAR is not crazy and operates under the same principles, then it is safe to think they would have also administered some type of justice for "blatant rule breaking." Earlier this year, they did just that when they admonished a driver for 10 races (I believe that was the sentence).

So, this race happened 4-5 days ago and not a peep, not a whisper, not a rumor from NASCAR - nor is there a huge clamoring in the sports media for a sanction. This tells me that what was done was fair and within the rules as the rules are currently written and interpreted.
 
struggler44

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Nascar blows; use to have season tickets for Martinsville, Dover and Richmond and gave them up because it became a business" instead of the sport I knew it as, just like the Redskins.......useless.
 
DipStick

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retiredweaxman said:
OK Dip - If I am to accept your reasoning, then answer me this. You pointed out some interesting comparisons "helmet to helmet, etc." If those infractions occur, the respective leagues institute fines, sanctions, etc in a reasonable amount of time. Assuming the whole body of NASCAR is not crazy and operates under the same principles, then it is safe to think they would have also administered some type of justice for "blatant rule breaking." Earlier this year, they did just that when they admonished a driver for 10 races (I believe that was the sentence).

So, this race happened 4-5 days ago and not a peep, not a whisper, not a rumor from NASCAR - nor is there a huge clamoring in the sports media for a sanction. This tells me that what was done was fair and within the rules as the rules are currently written and interpreted.
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NASCAR issued a $25,000 fine, 50 point penalty for Edwards and placed Eddie and Kez on probation through the end of the 2010 season.

NASCAR.COM - Edwards, Keselowski penalized for actions - Jul 21, 2010
 
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punchbuggy

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the driver's sponsors/owners sure are lovin it. Saw a commercial Sunday with two big truck rigs (Carl & Brad's) "racing" each other. I have mixed feelings on the retaliation. Don't really have any respect for either of the drivers if you're endangering everyone else trying to race & fans in the stands. There was and will be only ONE Dale, Sr. give it up wannabeeees
 
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