Nation of immigrants

[Sapidus]

So why at rallies are they waving other countries flags .??

Why do southern fly Confederate flags?

 

[Sapidus]

And, not all were allowed entry:

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The American Experience​

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Between 1892 and 1954, more than twelve million immigrants passed through the U.S. immigration portal at Ellis Island, enshrining it as an icon of America's welcome. That story is well known. But Ellis was also a place of detainment and deportation, an often-heartbreaking counterpoint to the joy and relief of coming to America.​

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Ellis Island waylaid certain arrivals, including those likely to become public charges, such as unescorted women and children. Women could not leave Ellis Island with a man not related to them. Other detainees included stowaways, alien seamen, anarchists, Bolsheviks, criminals and those judged to be "immoral." Approximately 20 percent of immigrants inspected at Ellis Island were temporarily detained, half for health reasons and half for legal reasons.​

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The exclusion of foreign radicals from America was nothing new.​

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Soon, Ellis Island's role changed from immigrant depot to detention center. In 1919, as a wave of anti-immigration hysteria swept the country, Frederic C. Howe, Commissioner of the Immigration Service, wrote despondently, "I have become a jailer."​

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Further restrictions followed, such as the National Origins Act, which allowed prospective immigrants to be examined in their country of origin, and often refused before making the trip to Ellis Island. Soon after the new law went into effect, Ellis Island "looked like a deserted village," commented one official.​

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By the 1930s, Ellis Island was used almost exclusively for detention and deportation.​

I could go on and on, but you get the point - Ellis Island was a legal port of entry, one where immigrants came to register themselves and, ultimately, be judged on ability to enter the country. I know, I know, PBS is such a right wing, radical, racist organization that their points have to be made up, but, I looked into it and it really is true.

Temporarily detained is not the same as barring entry.

Stop with your attempts at rewriting history when you are wrong which is almost always

 

[Sapidus]

Nope, colonists were not immigrants.

Immigrant
"a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country."

You might want to check the dictionary

 

[Smokey1]

Immigrant
"a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country."

You might want to check the dictionary

OK

colonist

[ kol-uh-nist ]

noun

1. an inhabitant of a colony.
2. a member of a colonizing expedition.

(often initial capital letter) an inhabitant of the 13 British colonies that became the UnitedStates of America.

Nothing about immigrants in that definition. Immigrants come to established developed countries to assimilate, colonists settle undeveloped areas and develop their own colonies and cultures.

 

[Sapidus]

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Nothing about immigrants in that definition. Immigrants come to established developed countries to assimilate, colonists settle undeveloped areas and develop their own colonies and cultures.

Yes but before they are colonists they must logically be immigrants.

They don't just appear out of thin air

 

[Smokey1]

Yes but before they are colonists they must logically be immigrants.

They don't just appear out of thin air

You are missing the point. Immigrants come to areas that are already developed as opposed to colonists who go to undeveloped areas and develop them. There is a clear difference.

 

[awpitt]

Seems fair..if it does not present huge headaches to implement.

I'm older than you....MD's drinking age didn't change to 21 until some years after I turned 21. ;-) I was not aware they grandfathered anyone until you mentioned it.
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Yes but before they are colonists they must logically be immigrants.

They don't just appear out of thin air

You can't immigrate to a place that belongs to your own country. The original 13 colonies belonged to Britain. The colonists traveled and settled in their own country's territory.
It would be like saying that an American citizen, who lives in Maryland, decides to move to Guam. Then calling them an immigrant.

 

[Sapidus]

You are missing the point. Immigrants come to areas that are already developed as opposed to colonists who go to undeveloped areas and develop them. There is a clear difference.

That is you editorializing based on your opinion.

The definition of immigrant doesn't not say "moves to an inhabited area"

A person who later joins a colony is an immigrant. Once they are in the colony they become a colonist.

You are allowing your prejudice to cloud your critical thinking skills

 

[Sapidus]

You can't immigrate to a place that belongs to your own country. The original 13 colonies belonged to Britain. The colonists traveled and settled in their own country's territory.
It would be like saying that an American citizen, who lives in Maryland, decides to move to Guam. Then calling them an immigrant.

Why do you believe it was only the british that we are talking about when immigrants from dozens of other countries came here as well?

And yes in fact you can. If I chose to move to guam i would indeed be an immigrant in the minds of the natives of Guam having not been born there

 

[Gilligan]

You can't immigrate to a place that belongs to your own country. The original 13 colonies belonged to Britain. The colonists traveled and settled in their own country's territory.
It would be like saying that an American citizen, who lives in Maryland, decides to move to Guam. Then calling them an immigrant.

?/ methinks you meant to answer someone else's post..?

 

[This_person]

Temporarily detained is not the same as barring entry.

Stop with your attempts at rewriting history when you are wrong which is almost always

You are right, of course. No one - not even all the ones that were denied entry for the multitude of reasons provided - were denied entry.

 

[Sapidus]

You are right, of course. No one - not even all the ones that were denied entry for the multitude of reasons provided - were denied entry.

Why dont you even bother reading the things that you post?

If you did you would see it clearly proves my point that up until a certain time people were allowed in freely only being detained under certain circumstances and then released once criteria were met ( finding a male family member to escort them)

Jesus,

Why do you continue to be so invested in proving em wronged proving yourself right that you really on information that doesnt prove anything.

Stop being so intellectually dishonest with me and with yourself

 

[This_person]

Why dont you even bother reading the things that you post?

If you did you would see it clearly proves my point that up until a certain time people were allowed in freely only being detained under certain circumstances and then released once criteria were met ( finding a male family member to escort them)

Jesus,

Why do you continue to be so invested in proving em wronged proving yourself right that you really on information that doesnt prove anything.

Stop being so intellectually dishonest with me and with yourself

The only reason you saw was unescorted women?

 

[workerbee]

God damn you are stupid.

You should sign up for English class with the rest of the crew.

I'm impressed he/she capitalized "God". Congrats!

 

[This_person]

Why do southern fly Confederate flags?

Heritage, not hate.

 

[This_person]

Why dont you even bother reading the things that you post?

I read it.

If you did you would see it clearly proves my point that up until a certain time people were allowed in freely only being detained under certain circumstances and then released once criteria were met ( finding a male family member to escort them)

It was not the definitive source of immigration law - it spoke to Ellis Island in response to you inaccurately describing what happened there. You continue to do so. There were multiple reasons for deportation, not just detainment. Many were deported. The first act of registering immigrants seems to be in 1819 with the passage of the Steerage Act.

Now, the Constitution was ratified in 1788 - that's 231 years ago. 200 years ago, we started registering immigrants. That means for 94% of the time we've been the United States of America, we've been registering immigrants.

The first law that restricted (specifically denied who could be an immigrant) immigration was the Page Act of 1875. That means for 68% of the time we've been the United States of America, we have restricted immigration.

There was a time when immigration was not controlled or limited. Then we learned. It didn't take long.

Jesus,

Why do you continue to be so invested in proving em wronged proving yourself right that you really on information that doesnt prove anything.

Stop being so intellectually dishonest with me and with yourself

While very difficult to follow in your broken English, I do admire someone who tries to communicate in English when it is clearly not their first language.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong (or, them, depending on which you meant). I hate to tell you this, because it may destroy your sense of self-worth, but IT IS NOT ABOUT YOU. I am merely telling you the facts, because you have them so wrong.

 

[Sapidus]

Heritage, not hate.

So why doesn’t that apply to immigrants who still fly their birth countries flag?

 

[Smokey1]

So why doesn’t that apply to immigrants who still fly their birth countries flag?

They can fly whatever flag they want to but it would tend to indicate they have no intention of assimilating.

 

[Sapidus]

They can fly whatever flag they want to but it would tend to indicate they have no intention of assimilating.

So southerns who fly the confederate flag have no intention of assimilating?

 

[Smokey1]

So southerns who fly the confederate flag have no intention of assimilating?

They already have their own American culture, they don't need to assimilate to anyone else's culture.