Navy to advance based on time in service

Monello

Smarter than the average bear
PREMO Member
You won't have to pass a rate test to be promoted.

Somehow, I don't think the powers to be thought this 1 through.

This NAVADMIN changes apprentice (E-1 - E-4) advancements into a
time-in-service (TIS) based construct, effective 1 July 2024.
This change will better regulate advancement through E-4 in order to provide
a solid foundation for billet based advancements (BBA) into the journeyman
ranks (E-5 and E-6). It also provides a more predictable and transparent
advancement path to E-4 for all Sailors and ensures that every Sailor can be
in a position to make a re- enlistment decision as an E-4 prior to the end of
their initial obligated service.

2. As a modification to reference (a), all E-1 through E-4 advancements will
transition on 1 July 2024 to a TIS-based construct. TIS requirements to
advance from E-1 through E-4 will be as follows:
a. E-1 - E-2: 9 months TIS.
b. E-2 - E-3: 18 months TIS.
c. E-3 - E-4: 30 months TIS.

3. Eligibility. The only two requirements to be eligible to advance E-1
through E-4 are to maintain a commanding officer's (CO) retention and
promotion recommendation and meet the required TIS.
E-2 through E-4 advancements will be automatically effected by the Navy
Standard Integrated Personnel System (NSIPS). This NAVADMIN removes all
other associated E-4 advancement eligibility criteria listed in references
(a) through (d), to include the requirement to complete E-4 Professional
Military Knowledge Eligibility Exam (PMK-
EE) for any advancement program. E-4 time-in-rate dates for advancement
eligibility to E-5 will be established based on advancement month to E-4.
For Selected Reserve (SELRES) Sailors, the effective date for purposes of TIS
is the pay entry base date.

https://www.mynavyhr.navy.mil/Ref.../Messages/NAVADMIN-2023/
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Well, it means they eliminated one exam. There's not been a test requirement for E-1 to E-3 going back to when I made those jumps in 83-84.
 

NOTSMC

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Well, it means they eliminated one exam. There's not been a test requirement for E-1 to E-3 going back to when I made those jumps in 83-84.
That's what I got out of it too. I used to read that stuff and understood what I was reading w/o reading it twice. Reading that made my head hurt. I like the fact sheet though - didn't have that when I was in.
 

stgislander

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How do you advance from E-3 to E-4 without completing an A-School or passing a striker's exam? Will there be non-rated E-4's?
 
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OccamsRazor

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Isn't the standard first enlistment 4 years?
How does one "ensure that every Sailor can be in a position to make a re- enlistment decision as an E-4 prior to the end of their initial obligated service" if the time to get from E-1 to E-4 is 4 years and 9 months? :sshrug:
 

Monello

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PREMO Member
This seems a bit excessive.

E-3 - E-4: 30 months TIS.

I think it was 12 months when I was in.

I came in as an E-3. Put on E-4 at the 13 month mark then E-5 at the 24 month mark. Right at the 5 year spot, I made E-6.

I have to think that a large percentage of those coming in the navy today signed as an E-2 or E-3. We had quite a few in my boot company. I think the company commander bumped a few up at the end of the fun & games known as boot camp.
 

stgislander

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I came out of boot as an E-2. Graduated A school as a rated E-2. E-2 to E-3 was automatic (if you kept your nose clean) two months later. E-3 to E-4 was automatic as well. Again as long as you kept your nose clean.
 
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OccamsRazor

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When my nephew was in, the structure changed. It went from:
E-1 to E-2 = 9 months (changed to 6 months)
E-2 to E-3 = 9 months (changed to 6 months)
E-3 to E-4 = 6 months (changed to 9 months) and had to pass an exam

This was back in the mid-late 90s
 

glhs837

Power with Control
This seems a bit excessive.



I think it was 12 months when I was in.

I came in as an E-3. Put on E-4 at the 13 month mark then E-5 at the 24 month mark. Right at the 5 year spot, I made E-6.

I have to think that a large percentage of those coming in the navy today signed as an E-2 or E-3. We had quite a few in my boot company. I think the company commander bumped a few up at the end of the fun & games known as boot camp.
Are you confusing TIS with Time in Grade? And in 1985, you had to pass a rating exam to become a third class.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

Simply? What this means? Meritocracy is being thrown out the window completely. Soon to be also known as the new diversity, affirmative action, queer/tran inclusivity, promotion system. Expect more ship collisions and the like.
 

Monello

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PREMO Member
Isn't the standard first enlistment 4 years?
How does one "ensure that every Sailor can be in a position to make a re- enlistment decision as an E-4 prior to the end of their initial obligated service" if the time to get from E-1 to E-4 is 4 years and 9 months? :sshrug:
I read this the same way. But TIS, is total time in uniform, not time in the previous pay grade.

So that has someone putting on E-4 around the 2.5 year mark.
 

stgislander

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It looks like the fastest you can make E-4 in the CG is 21 months. That's assuming a 12 week boot camp.
 

DoWhat

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When I was in, I picked up E-4 (3rd Class) out of A school.
I was picked up for Advanced First Term Avionics (AFTA)and had to sign up to a 6 year term.
We were called "Rent a Crows".
 
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