Navy Vet explains "Why it was called water torture

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
The U.S. should not be in the business of torture...


Why It Was Called 'Water Torture'

Last week, much to my dismay, government officials testified before Congress that the United States has used the interrogation technique known as waterboarding and would like to hold out the option of using it in the future. As someone who has experienced waterboarding, albeit in a controlled setting, I know that the act is indeed torture. I was waterboarded during my training to become a Navy flight crew member. As has been noted in The Post and other media outlets, waterboarding is "real drowning that simulates death." It's an experience our country should not subject people to.

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I remember that the blindfold was heavy and completely covered my face. As the two men held me down, one on each side, someone began pouring water onto the blindfold, and suddenly I was drowning. The water streamed into my nose and then into my mouth when I gasped for breath. I couldn't stop it. All I could breathe was water, and it was terrifying. I think I began to lose consciousness. I felt my lungs begin to fill with burning liquid.

Pulling out my fingernails or even cutting off a finger would have been preferable. At least if someone had attacked my hands, I would have had to simply tolerate pain. But drowning is another matter.
Even though I knew that I was in a military facility and that my "captors" would not kill me, no matter what they threatened, my body sensed and reacted to the danger it was in. Adrenaline helped me to fight out of the position the men were holding me in. I can't really explain how I managed to stand up, still with one man clinging to each arm. I only know how horrible it was. The experience was probably only a few minutes, but to me it seemed much longer.
 

Severa

Common sense ain't common
Is this just one isolated incident since 1963 or does this writer have more evidence of such practices in Navy survival training? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
I went through this when I went through SERE school back in the early 1980s, and his description of his experiences is pretty much the same as I went through. I went through training at Brunswick, ME, so in addition to all the fun the writer mentions, we also got the great thrill of standing outside in freezing temperatures while wet and naked.

I do disagree with this guy's assertion that having your fingernails pulled out or fingers chopped off is preferrable to the water board. I had a toenail ripped off during a swimming accident once. It was quick, but the pain was horrendous and long lasting. I can't even imagine how much worse it would be if someone were making the process as slow and painfull as possible.

Yes, being on the water board does make you feel like you're drowning. So what? A large part of Navy training involves making you feel like you're drowning. We have to swim long distances underwater, we get put in the Dilbert and Helo Dunkers that take us underwater and we have to fight our way to the surface, we get nearly suffocated on smoke during fire fighting training, and get gased with tear gas.

And for the record, I never knew anyone actually drown on the water board. I did see three students pulled from the pool during the final phase of Search And Rescue (SAR) school and who had to be recussitated. During the final phase of training, instructors get in the pool and act like disoriented survivors who attack their rescuer and drag them under (a common occurence in the real world). and yes they would hold you down long enough for you to black out. That was the closet to drowning I ever came to during training and the water board was nothing compared to that.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
If it truly is "Torture" why are all these liberal dumbasses doing it to each other on TV to show everyone what it is?
 

hvp05

Methodically disorganized
I went through this when I went through SERE school back in the early 1980s...
I think that would be the point of training: to prepare one for potential real-world situations. Maybe others feel if they don't train for it it won't happen to them.
 

NTNG

Member
I was an instructor at FASO SERE in Brunswick in the late 80's. What was done, in a training scenario was physical and psycholgical harrasement. There were no rifle butts to the head, boot stomps to the groin, or anything that could be construed as torture.This was explained to each student during thier debrief after class was complete. Each instructor was trained in how to apply the harrasment techniques, so as not to inflict any lasting or permanent damage. As far as the psychological and mental harrasement goes, the techniques and methods used, have been used in various forms in each of the U.S. military services basic training, for years. Things such as isolation, degradation, enforced trivial demands, monopolization of perception, demonstrated omnitpitance, etc.
Yes, there was a staff psychologist on hand during the sessions, to ensure the student did not go over the edge, but equally as important, to ensure that the instructor did not either.
It should also be noted that the instructors were all graduates of a SERE course, and would be recipeants of the harrasment techniques, buy other instructors, as well as instructors under training, between classes, for training. Our CO was a former POW, and we had another POW as a technical advisor.
 
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toppick08

Guest
The U.S. should not be in the business of torture...


Why It Was Called 'Water Torture'

Last week, much to my dismay, government officials testified before Congress that the United States has used the interrogation technique known as waterboarding and would like to hold out the option of using it in the future. As someone who has experienced waterboarding, albeit in a controlled setting, I know that the act is indeed torture. I was waterboarded during my training to become a Navy flight crew member. As has been noted in The Post and other media outlets, waterboarding is "real drowning that simulates death." It's an experience our country should not subject people to.

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I remember that the blindfold was heavy and completely covered my face. As the two men held me down, one on each side, someone began pouring water onto the blindfold, and suddenly I was drowning. The water streamed into my nose and then into my mouth when I gasped for breath. I couldn't stop it. All I could breathe was water, and it was terrifying. I think I began to lose consciousness. I felt my lungs begin to fill with burning liquid.

Pulling out my fingernails or even cutting off a finger would have been preferable. At least if someone had attacked my hands, I would have had to simply tolerate pain. But drowning is another matter.
Even though I knew that I was in a military facility and that my "captors" would not kill me, no matter what they threatened, my body sensed and reacted to the danger it was in. Adrenaline helped me to fight out of the position the men were holding me in. I can't really explain how I managed to stand up, still with one man clinging to each arm. I only know how horrible it was. The experience was probably only a few minutes, but to me it seemed much longer.

The radical Muslims shouldn't be in the business of killing innocent civilians, When they give it up then maybe we'll give up "torturing" those dogs.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Well, Forestal? A lot of obvious true life experience here. Any comments on reality vs. newspaper publicity?
 

ImnoMensa

New Member
No we shouldnt be in the business of torture. We should ask these terrorists nicely who thei leaders are and what they are planning,and when they decide to tell us to go #### ourselves we should thank them politely and send them home------------in a body bag.
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
I'm just kidding with the guy. Well... maybe. The rules went I went through SERE were that you weren't supposed to really get beaten, but I got beaten pretty good. I'm 6'5" and a pretty big guy, and I got the impression some of the instructors felt like they needed to bust me down a bit. While I left SERE with more than a few bruises, I also left with the understanding that if my time in a "camp" had been real, there's a good chance I would have gotten a lot more than time on the water board, or cigar smoke blown in my face, and even several good belts to the jaw and gut for being a dick... I probably would have gotten my ass killed. I was never stuck in that situation again (thank God), but if I had been I would have been much better prepared for it thanks to what the guys at SERE taught me.
 

Vince

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Did SERE. Twice to the waterboard. It sucked, but it was something you had to go through and you don't want to do it again. :shrug:
 

edinsomd

New Member
Another SERE alumnus here! :howdy: What fun! The People's Republic of North America (PRONA) is charming in March. Not much to eat and really grumpy locals...
Ed:lmao:
 
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