New immigration crackdown begins, no more welfare

Auntie Biache'

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The Trump administration today is reinstating a Clinton-era welfare reform rule, once widely embraced by top Democrats in Congress, requiring immigrants to be self-sufficient, a move that could end up to $3 billion in federal and state welfare payments to them.


After receiving a blessing from the Supreme Court Friday, the “Public Charge Grounds Final Rule” kicked in nationally, essentially forcing immigrants to prove that they won’t become a burden on taxpayers.

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ing-down-welfare-dependent-legal-immigration/
 

Spitfire

Active Member
Greetings:

Would be better if everyone could be self-sufficient. Old people who exist solely on social security: I’m looking at you!
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
When did that policy stop? Right now - this minute - we should start deporting non-citizens who are taking any form of government aid. Immigrants - especially the illegal ones - were never supposed to get welfare in this country.

If progs could communicate sanely, I'd ask them why they think the US should be taking in the whole world and giving them welfare.
 

Spitfire

Active Member
How is it that you durhards don't understand the difference between welfare and social security? Or American citizens and illegal aliens?

Seriously, you all make the dumbest comparisons.

Greetings:

There is no difference. Both involve theft of income from hard-working Americans. I don’t draw a distinction depending on who the recipient is, illegal or not.

Theft is theft is theft.

Why don’t you durhards understand that?
 

luvmygdaughters

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Greetings:

There is no difference. Both involve theft of income from hard-working Americans. I don’t draw a distinction depending on who the recipient is, illegal or not.

Theft is theft is theft.

Why don’t you durhards understand that?
You cant steal what is yours! Social Security is paid into by citizens that work, its earned! The only ones stealing from it are the damn politicians!!
 

Spitfire

Active Member
Social Security is not welfare. Those payments are earned.

Greetings:

They are only “earned” in the sense that the government promises to continue to steal from future generations, also increasing the cost of labor to businesses by the way.

If the program were to end tomorrow, what did you “earn”?

Nothing. No one would be “entitled” to a thin dime.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
There is no difference. Both involve theft of income from hard-working Americans. I don’t draw a distinction depending on who the recipient is, illegal or not.

I'm always sorry when I take one of you dignbats off ignore and respond to you because you come up with ignorant crap like this, and debating with you is like reasoning with a two year old who's missed their nap.

Social security and welfare are NOT the same thing.

American citizens and illegal aliens are NOT the same thing.

And now you go back on ignore.
 

Spitfire

Active Member
I'm always sorry when I take one of you dignbats off ignore and respond to you because you come up with ignorant crap like this, and debating with you is like reasoning with a two year old who's missed their nap.

Social security and welfare are NOT the same thing.

American citizens and illegal aliens are NOT the same thing.

And now you go back on ignore.

Greetings:

OK. Thanks.
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
When did that policy stop? Right now - this minute - we should start deporting non-citizens who are taking any form of government aid. Immigrants - especially the illegal ones - were never supposed to get welfare in this country.

If progs could communicate sanely, I'd ask them why they think the US should be taking in the whole world and giving them welfare.

The policy never stopped. People applying for green cards have always had to show ability of self sufficiency. What happened is that the DHS rewrote the rule last August and added language that now requires evidence that a person won't use "welfare" in the future. It was supposed to kick in on Oct 15th but it was challenged in the courts resulting in an injunction. Then the Supreme Court lifted the injunction so any new I-485's submitted on Feb 24th and after are subject to the new rules.
 
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Hijinx

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The Government has " Borrowed" (stolen) 5 Trillion dollars from the Social Security fund without paying back one thin dime.

If the Social security fund were stopped, who would the Government "Borrow" (steal) from?

Who is benefitting from an entitlement? The people who paid in to it, and receive the promised benefits, or the Government who steals the money.?
 

Chris0nllyn

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How is it that you durhards don't understand the difference between welfare and social security? Or American citizens and illegal aliens?

Seriously, you all make the dumbest comparisons.
Social Security is not welfare. Those payments are earned.
You cant steal what is yours! Social Security is paid into by citizens that work, its earned! The only ones stealing from it are the damn politicians!!

And yet, SS is almost insolvent. How can it be that they are running out of money if everyone is basically getting back what was paid in?

The reality is, SS is welfare.

Social Security is welfare because there is no connection between the taxes paid and the benefits received. Take two men who are the same age and have identical incomes. One works for exactly 35 years, reaches full retirement age, and then retires. The other works for 45 years, reaches full retirement age, and then retires. Since Social Security benefits are based on the average of a worker’s 35 highest years of earnings, as related above, the benefit amount that these two men receive every month will be substantially the same. The fact that each man paid vastly different amounts into the system yet received basically the same benefits is irrefutable proof that there is no connection between Social Security taxes and benefits.

Social Security is welfare because Congress may, at will, change the Social Security benefit schedule at any time. According to Title XI, section 1104 of the Social Security Act, “The right to alter, amend, or repeal any provision of this Act is hereby reserved to Congress.” That means that Social Security taxes can be changed at any time with no change in Social Security benefits; conversely, Social Security benefits can be changed at any time with no change in Social Security taxes. According to the Social Security Administration website,

• Your earnings may increase or decrease in the future.
• After you start receiving benefits, they will be adjusted for cost-of-living increases.
• Your estimated benefits are based on current law. The law governing benefit amounts may change because, by 2036, the payroll taxes collected will be enough to pay only about 77 percent of scheduled benefits.
• Your benefit amount may be affected by military service, railroad employment or pensions earned through work on which you did not pay Social Security tax.
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Social Security is welfare because there is no contractual right to receive benefits. The Supreme Court already ruled as much many years ago. In the case of Helvering v. Davis (1937), the Court ruled that “the proceeds of both [employee and employer] taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like internal revenue taxes generally, and are not earmarked in any way.”

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Social Security should be considered welfare because it is not an investment with a rate of return. Roosevelt falsely promoted Social Security to Americans as a “savings account for the old age of the worker” with contributions made by employers and employees through payroll taxes “held by the government solely for the benefit of the worker in his old age.” The first beneficiary to receive a Social Security check was Ida May Fuller in 1940. After paying in just $24.75 in Social Security taxes, she went on to collect $22,888 in benefits. According to a 2002 Congressional Research Service report on “Social Security Reform,” workers who retired at full retirement age in 1980 got back all they paid into Social Security, with interest, in 2.8 years. On the other hand, someone can pay into the system his whole working life and, if he dies upon retirement without dependents, his “savings account” dies with him.

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Social Security is welfare because the government can tax up to 85 percent of Social Security benefits.
Although Social Security benefits are generally not taxable, individuals have to pay income tax on 50 percent of their benefits if the total of one-half of their benefits and their other income (including nontaxable interest income) is between $25,000 and $34,000 ($32,000 and $44,000 if married filing jointly) and on 85 percent of their benefits if their combined income is above $34,000 ($44,000 if married filing jointly). If an American is entitled to Social Security benefits because he earned them by paying Social Security taxes his entire working life, then what is the government doing taxing them just as it taxes unemployment benefits?

https://www.fff.org/explore-freedom/article/is-social-security-welfare/
 
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