New World Order

[tommyjones]

Serious questions.
Will your god provide a payment for your sins?
Does he promise you life?
How does your god decide who's in and whos out?
Is your god alive today? do you have a relationship with him, or anyway to know hes real and not just in your imignation?
How can one call God their father if they dont know him?
Without salvation through Christ ones not an heir, he cant be a father if your not part of the family.

serious answer, most of those are so christian based they do not apply

but...
why should anyone but me pay for my sins
no one is promised anything in this life, the least of which is life.
everyone is in
yes
yes, the same way you know yours is
i know my dad, he's not god
again, i know my dad

 

[tommyjones]

nonbelievers are judged...

Eternity in heaven are those who accept God's desire given in love through Jesus.

So what happens to those who don't believe in a pride god? Do they get a less eternity or is it like JPC preaches that we all get the same even if we are good or bad?

you are the one too prideful to accept that your version may not be correct. I accepth that i do not know, but as far as i can tell, everyone gets the same thing at the end of this life.....DEATH. its the one garuntee we all have. now if we spend eternity turning into dust or if our energy somehow becomes part of the greater tao, i dont know.

I'd say my verison of the deity would be called the logic god, not the pride god.

 

[Marie]

serious answer, most of those are so christian based they do not apply

but...
why should anyone but me pay for my sins
no one is promised anything in this life, the least of which is life.
everyone is in
yes
yes, the same way you know yours is
i know my dad, he's not god
again, i know my dad

You cant pay for your own sins, even if you were to give up your life, its not good enough only a perfect scrafice colud do it.
Thats what so cool about the gospel that someone by your nature you are an enmy with would pay your debit on the cross.
Why? Because he wants a relationship with you in this life and the next!

 

[mAlice]

Sure is getting preachy in here.

 

[tommyjones]

You cant pay for your own sins, even if you were to give up your life, its not good enough only a perfect scrafice colud do it.
Thats what so cool about the gospel that someone by your nature you are an enmy with would pay your debit on the cross.
Why? Because he wants a relationship with you in this life and the next!

then why would he consider me an enemy in the first place? I have done nothing to earn the title enemy.


and again, i dont need anyone to pay for my sins. we pay for our sins everyday, its called having a concious

 

[toppick08]

then why would he consider me an enemy in the first place? I have done nothing to earn the title enemy.


and again, i dont need anyone to pay for my sins. we pay for our sins everyday, its called having a concious

Your SINS are the enemy....Not you as a person with a concious..

 

[tommyjones]

Your SINS are the enemy....Not you as a person with a concious..

no, she said i was god's enemy becasue Adam didn't keep that Biatch eve in line.

so basically it was adam's sin that made god hate me..... (paraphrasing her words)

 

[Marie]

you are the one too prideful to accept that your version may not be correct. I accepth that i do not know, but as far as i can tell, everyone gets the same thing at the end of this life.....DEATH. its the one garuntee we all have. now if we spend eternity turning into dust or if our energy somehow becomes part of the greater tao, i dont know.

I'd say my verison of the deity would be called the logic god, not the pride god.

We believe in a spiritual life after death though, Christ defeated death and came back we have the same promise.

I studied /practiced Taoism years ago. I kind of got pulled in, in a deceitful manner. I was practicing Qigong with some newfound Chinese friends for about 3 years. After I saw what was going on, I realized I really need to get back to church and practice my own faith. I’ve been to Buddhist temple on more than one occasion; I had a girlfriend that was a Buddhist priest. I’ve had Hindu friends skirted around TM and studied classic Chinese litterateur so I can honestly tell you it falls short of Christianity.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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[Marie]

no, she said i was god's enemy becasue Adam didn't keep that Biatch eve in line.

so basically it was adam's sin that made god hate me..... (paraphrasing her words)

Adam sin caused them to be alienated from God. Anyone born of a mans seed has that same sinfull nature thats why Christ was born of a virgin. Its our sin that makes us any enemy of God. God is perfect and cant stand anything less than perfect in his presense.Thats why we need Christ to pay that sin debt. By nature we hate God and the things of God. (Thats why we are considered an enemy of God) Man is dead in sin he dosent have the ability to want a relationship with God nor is he able to love God or the things of God, till there is an effectual calling placed on his heart than he becomes open/softened to it he still has the ability to reject God. (Free Will)
Thats why the verse says that the wisdom of God is foolishness to men. With out God opening our eyes and hearts it goes against everything we want. Man is by nature Pridefull, Sinfull, Selfish and Arrogant.
I hope that cleared it up some.

 

[fredcaudle]

you are the one too prideful to accept that your version may not be correct. I accepth that i do not know, but as far as i can tell, everyone gets the same thing at the end of this life.....DEATH. its the one garuntee we all have. now if we spend eternity turning into dust or if our energy somehow becomes part of the greater tao, i dont know.

I'd say my verison of the deity would be called the logic god, not the pride god.

"you are the one too prideful to accept that your version may not be correct"... I can see why you would call it pride, but it is actually just confident faith.

Why, when you are so confident Christianity is wrong it is not called pride? You admit you don't know... so why do you "know" Christianity is wrong? How is certain to not know about the end, but certain to know what it is not???? If logic is a god, then there must be logic to explain that concept.

 

[Toxick]

Sure is getting preachy in here.

Wow... in the Religion Forum, no less.

What's next?! Arguing over ideology in the Politics Forum!

 

[mAlice]

What's next?!

A forum baptism?

 

[tommyjones]

"you are the one too prideful to accept that your version may not be correct"... I can see why you would call it pride, but it is actually just confident faith.

Why, when you are so confident Christianity is wrong it is not called pride? You admit you don't know... so why do you "know" Christianity is wrong? How is certain to not know about the end, but certain to know what it is not???? If logic is a god, then there must be logic to explain that concept.

i'm not the one claiming to know what the end is going to bring, or to judge people because they choose to have a differnet faith.

I didn't say i know chrisitanity is wrong, jus tthat i see numerous logical flaws in that religion. you can believe what you want, i choose to use logic before i will blindly accept anything.

 

[vegmom]

A forum baptism?

I don't know if the server would hold up to a full dunkin'.

 

[fredcaudle]

i'm not the one claiming to know what the end is going to bring, or to judge people because they choose to have a differnet faith.

I didn't say i know chrisitanity is wrong, jus tthat i see numerous logical flaws in that religion. you can believe what you want, i choose to use logic before i will blindly accept anything.

Good to go.

I know you not claiming anything... you don't know, remember. So your comment to me "judging" and your comment to "flaws in that religion" can't mean anything... you don't know, remember?

Logic is a wonderful thing.

 

[tommyjones]

Good to go.

I know you not claiming anything... you don't know, remember. So your comment to me "judging" and your comment to "flaws in that religion" can't mean anything... you don't know, remember?

Logic is a wonderful thing.

i dont know about the after life, but i do know about this one, and i am quite capable of recognizing when someone is judging.

logic is a wonderfl thing, when it is exercised, when it is stiflled or influenced by ones faith its not so great.

 

[fredcaudle]

i dont know about the after life, but i do know about this one, and i am quite capable of recognizing when someone is judging.

logic is a wonderfl thing, when it is exercised, when it is stiflled or influenced by ones faith its not so great.

It is only judging in the measure you judge... you say "I judge" because of my faith. You write immediately "logic is a wonderful thing...when it is stifled or influenced by one faith its not so great".

That would be judging as to your own confession you do not live by faith so you have no idea if it would or would not be stifled and so you make a judgmental statement about us who have faith. You also "judge" that I or anyone of faith can't have as good as logic as you without faith. Very judgmental tone young man!

 

[ItalianScallion]

christians disagreeing with christians!
I hardly believe my eyes!

Yep! We're going out back after work and settling this once & for all!

 

[Xaquin44]

Yep! We're going out back after work and settling this once & for all!

hahaha a christian throw down!

 

[2ndAmendment]

Between this and the thousand year reign, I'd say we have nothing to worry about.

But you have to accept the gift of salvation, and the thousand year reign of Jesus after His return is for His followers and Him. It is at the end of the thousand years that satan and his followers and those that died without salvation are released on the earth again.

Revelation 20:1-10
Satan Bound
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

2And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

3and he threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

4Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
Satan Freed, Doomed
7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.