NFL Takes A Knee ....

[PsyOps]

You admit that is your opinion though? Who are you, me, whoever to decide when it's someone else's "perfect time" to protest something they feel strongly about? We don;t have to agree with it (I don't), but I'm not about to use the excuse of "this isn't the time or place", because we both know there isn't a good time or place.

There isn't a good time or place to protest? How did you come up with that?

Of course it's my opinion. Ive already stated that if the NFL allows this, it's their right as a business to allow it. I, as a consumer, get to dictate one thing... whether I accept their product or not. Those are the terms in which I get to dictate whether their protest is acceptable. It's my wish for the owners, and the NFL to consistently implement their own rule - as they did with other forms of expression - and put a stop to this. Their product is football. Only in the sports and entertainment industries can these spoiled, wealthy whiners get away with this sort of thing.

 

[Restitution]

SOLUTION TO THE WHOLE MESS:

Allow any professional athlete to kneel/protest/fist-raise during the national anthem. Any athlete that continues to do so will be fined $25K, per incident, that is donated directly to the ACLU to fund injustice prevention and protection!

This way, the REAL protesters can be weeded out AND they can contribute something meaningful to the cause.

Be interesting to see how many of them are left at the end of the season though...

 

[Sapidus]

they aren't at risk of anything .... except maybe not getting police protection at their next football game

Oh really. Cuz everyone here is swearing they will never watch another game. Or buy all those season tickets i am sure they buy and all the merchandise they threaten not to buy

 

[Sapidus]

Taking out the irony of calling me stupid while being unable, again, to use the quote function, I have to ask you to dispute what I said on a substantive basis. Do you believe the black kids from Great Mills and the black kids in Friendly have similar life experiences? Do you believe the white kids in East LA have similar experiences to those in Greenwich, CT? I await your thoughtful response.

Yes. in certain terms such as how they are treated by the police. White children nationwide are not shot by the police in the same scenarios as black children killed by the police.

Try to stay with the conversation

 

[Sapidus]

Then they need to do away with their own rule regarding the national anthem during games:

The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.



If they aren't going to enforce their own rule, do away with it. Stop playing the anthem. Stop posting the flag. Stop having military folks appear on the field. Stop honoring our military during games.

They chose to enforce rules regarding honoring police, 911, and prayer. The NFL has become an anything-goes organization that has an obvious political agenda.

And for the record... the kneelers are the whiners.

Liar. That is not an official rule. And if you look at the statement of the team owners who stand behind their players you would realize you are talking out of your as***

 

[Gilligan]

the same scenarios as black children killed by the police.

For examples?

 

[This_person]

Yes. in certain terms such as how they are treated by the police. White children nationwide are not shot by the police in the same scenarios as black children killed by the police.

Do you have documentation to back that up?

 

[Sapidus]

Kim Davis didn't "protest" at work, she refused services that landed contrary to her religious beliefs. And she certainly didn't do it during the National Anthem or the posting of the flag.

FAIL!

She refused services that landed contrary to her beliefs despite being illegal. Sounds like a protest to me.

 

[Gilligan]

She refused services that landed contrary to her beliefs despite being illegal. Sounds like a protest to me.

Simply sounds like refusing service to me. Nobody else ever would have known...

 

[Gilligan]

She refused services that landed contrary to her beliefs despite being illegal. Sounds like a protest to me.

oh, and.. http://forums.somd.com/threads/323976-NFL-Takes-A-Knee?p=5809657&viewfull=1#post5809657

 

[Chris0nllyn]

Yes. in certain terms such as how they are treated by the police. White children nationwide are not shot by the police in the same scenarios as black children killed by the police.

Try to stay with the conversation

I think social status, moreso than race, play a roll in how police treat you. Typically, inner cities have more crime, and more black people, and typically a lower view of police. I think the issue here is that police being on edge in areas they aren't liked, and full of crime, is being equated to racism.

You'd be naive to think racism does not exist anywhere, especially policing, but I don't believe it's to an epidemic proportion some of these players lead it to be.

One needs to learn to play the system if the system won't change. Instead of acting like an ignorant ####### everytime you don't get your way, why won't the black community come together and say, "look, everyone, we're making ourselves look bad here." Because a majority of them don't care how they are perceived and unfortunately believe that if someone simply doesn't agree with that, that's racism. Bending word's meanings to fit one's narrative is not the same as actual racism.

If the community used actual events of police misconduct to prove their point, they may be better off. Instead, they tend to hear about something on social media, then go out and #### up the very community they live in. They steal shoes, TVs, etc. during these riots (let's not sugar coat what they are. They aren't protests) why? Because material posessions mean everything in a community of people so used to being in the lower income brackets.

I also won't sit here and act like the war on drugs doesn't affect people of color more than white people even though usage rates in those groups is about the same, but this also goes back to playing the game. If you drive around with a car on 28" rims, tinted windows, and the trunk rattling more than a hunter during rut, you probably shouldn't be driving around smoking a blunt with 4 dudes in the car. But again, their community; their society glamorizes this sort of behavior. Bucking authority and all that. So don't be surprised when you're stereotyped based on looks or behavior. It happens to everyone, regardless of color, but more often than not, stereotypes are rooted in some truth.

 

[This_person]

Yes. in certain terms such as how they are treated by the police. White children nationwide are not shot by the police in the same scenarios as black children killed by the police.

Try to stay with the conversation

By the way, that is a great job of not answering the question. The racist statement made was that whites and black have different experience, and I showed it is racist because that difference is not based on race, but on culture. I asked if you could believe that black people in Great Mills and black people in Friendly, MD, or in View Park, CA might be treated the same or differently. You went with a generalized, non-supported assertion instead of answering the question. Nicely done.

 

[Sapidus]

Do you have documentation to back that up?

Have you ever read a newspaper?

 

[Chris0nllyn]

There isn't a good time or place to protest? How did you come up with that?

Of course it's my opinion. Ive already stated that if the NFL allows this, it's their right as a business to allow it. I, as a consumer, get to dictate one thing... whether I accept their product or not. Those are the terms in which I get to dictate whether their protest is acceptable. It's my wish for the owners, and the NFL to consistently implement their own rule - as they did with other forms of expression - and put a stop to this. Their product is football. Only in the sports and entertainment industries can these spoiled, wealthy whiners get away with this sort of thing.

In terms of someone protesting somethign you don't care about or have no opinion on, is there ever a good time to protest?

Let's say these guys don't protest at games because it's not the right venue. Do they do it during intverviews? No, they should talk about what they're paid to do, playing football. Then what? Have a rally wlaking down the road? Then people complain they are blocking the road. I hope you see where I'm going with this. If you disagree with someone's message, you'll never agree there is a good time or place to protest unless it's simply out of your way.

It's not just sports. It's hollywood. We prop athletes and celebrities on a pedestal and the vast majority of them are spolied, whiners.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

It has now morphed into Congress with the great (do I really need a sarcasm smiley here?) Sheila Jackson Lee taking a knee on the floor of the House last night.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4921852/Democratic-congresswoman-takes-knee-House-floor.html

 

[Sapidus]

I think social status, moreso than race, play a roll in how police treat you. Typically, inner cities have more crime, and more black people, and typically a lower view of police. I think the issue here is that police being on edge in areas they aren't liked, and full of crime, is being equated to racism.

You'd be naive to think racism does not exist anywhere, especially policing, but I don't believe it's to an epidemic proportion some of these players lead it to be.

One needs to learn to play the system if the system won't change. Instead of acting like an ignorant ####### everytime you don't get your way, why won't the black community come together and say, "look, everyone, we're making ourselves look bad here." Because a majority of them don't care how they are perceived and unfortunately believe that if someone simply doesn't agree with that, that's racism. Bending word's meanings to fit one's narrative is not the same as actual racism.

If the community used actual events of police misconduct to prove their point, they may be better off. Instead, they tend to hear about something on social media, then go out and #### up the very community they live in. They steal shoes, TVs, etc. during these riots (let's not sugar coat what they are. They aren't protests) why? Because material posessions mean everything in a community of people so used to being in the lower income brackets.

I also won't sit here and act like the war on drugs doesn't affect people of color more than white people even though usage rates in those groups is about the same, but this also goes back to playing the game. If you drive around with a car on 28" rims, tinted windows, and the trunk rattling more than a hunter during rut, you probably shouldn't be driving around smoking a blunt with 4 dudes in the car. But again, their community; their society glamorizes this sort of behavior. Bucking authority and all that. So don't be surprised when you're stereotyped based on looks or behavior. It happens to everyone, regardless of color, but more often than not, stereotypes are rooted in some truth.

That exactly where you are wrong.

Studies show that it is not about social economics but explicitly about race.

Poor whites to not suffer the same rate of violence as poor blacks do.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/health/black-men-killed-by-police/index.html

 

[Sapidus]

By the way, that is a great job of not answering the question. The racist statement made was that whites and black have different experience, and I showed it is racist because that difference is not based on race, but on culture. I asked if you could believe that black people in Great Mills and black people in Friendly, MD, or in View Park, CA might be treated the same or differently. You went with a generalized, non-supported assertion instead of answering the question. Nicely done.

Again. you are an idiot. Studies show that treatment by police is not determined by economics but by race

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/health/black-men-killed-by-police/index.html

 

[Gilligan]

Have you ever read a newspaper?

Have you ever backed up one of your false narratives or assertions?

Post links about all those black children the police are massacring....according to you.

 

[Gilligan]

Again. you are an idiot. Studies show that treatment by police is not determined by economics but by race

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/health/black-men-killed-by-police/index.html

Wrong. It just proves that those races are more inclined to resist arrest and attack police. So they get shot for their trouble. Simple stuff really. "don't resist arrest, don't get shot" Let's call it the "Michael Brown Rule" of basic behavior.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

like I said, only a moron would pretend black and white people don't have different experiences, and here you are.

Everyone, regardless of race, has a different experiences. Especially now that discrimination against everyone that is not black, is codified in federal and state law under the guise of set asides, affirmative action, hiring practices, university enrollments, etc etc etc. Blacks keep demanding, and are getting the rope they ask for. Eventually when given enough of the rope, they will .... have a lot of rope. And having lower IQs will not know what to do with it all.