Not 1 but TWO!

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And again they will violate the rights of 250 drivers for any one drunk they take off the road for that night.
 
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Two sobriety checkpoints in the same area two nights in a row! Talk about money and time to waste...IMO of course....

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Two sobriety checkpoints scheduled for weekend - The BayNet

The St. Mary's Sheriff's Office has two sobriety checkpoints scheduled for over Labor Day weekend.
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One of the many reasons they can't respond to other calls. You know, like accidents, assaults, robberies, burglaries, etc.. Relying on Calvert's deputies instead. An excellent example of why it's always best to rely on yourself when faced with imminent, or the possibility of, threats, instead of 9-1-1. Aka, armed, with a chambered round. What's that saying? "When seconds count, the police are minutes away"? I'll tell you what. With all the millions upon millions upon millions spent annually on "law enforcement", and all the blind accolades bestowed upon them, in both counties, they sure do a piss poor job of stopping crime when it is occurring. However, they sure do a fantastic job at interfering with people's daily lives for the smallest of BS things.
 
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One of the many reasons they can't respond to other calls. You know, like accidents, assaults, robberies, burglaries, etc.. Relying on Calvert's deputies instead. An excellent example of why it's always best to rely on yourself when faced with imminent, or the possibility of, threats, instead of 9-1-1. Aka, armed, with a chambered round. What's that saying? "When seconds count, the police are minutes away"? I'll tell you what. With all the millions upon millions upon millions spent annually on "law enforcement", and all the blind accolades bestowed upon them, in both counties, they sure do a piss poor job of stopping crime when it is occurring. However, they sure do a fantastic job at interfering with people's daily lives for the smallest of BS things.
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Sobriety checkpoints do not take offers away from the regular patrol shift. They offer overtime pay to officers who staff the check point using grant money.
 
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Sobriety checkpoints do not take offers away from the regular patrol shift. They offer overtime pay to officers who staff the check point using grant money.
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So in essence, they are being paid even more than their worth for interfering with the travels of citizens? (Not a dig at you). You know? I'm thinking that any "law enforcement" officer, deputy, cop, whatever, should only be paid by way of a fixed salary, just like managers at businesses, and teachers, and that's it. Nothing more. The budgets of Sheriff Offices and Police Departments across the land would be slashed overnight, saving taxpayers, collectively, billions overnight, and millions locally. The court dockets would only have the most severe of infractions, motor vehicle and other "criminal" violations, by people being heard. Reducing court budgets as well. Let's get a referendum question to change from hourly, to salary, with no overtime, for "law enforcement" personnel, put on the ballot for the next election. Wooo weee. That'll be fun.
 
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If I understand your post, you want them to be paid a straight salary with no overtime. Hmmmm, maybe a brilliant idea!! Then there is no need to write tickets, or spend countless hours working a homicide or any other felony, work the 8 hour shift then go home. Since they can only work the 8 hour shift with no overtime, you can close the courts because the officers won't get paid to testify because they have to be on the roads patrolling or working a crime scene from the day/week/month before. The ones doing criminal investigations can't go to court because they are out trying to solve that crime that happened last month because they can only work 8 hours a day. The can either do the work and go to court on overtime or just ride around for 8 hours doing nothing, if they do something then they might have to go to court, which means if in court no one on the roads or paid overtime.
 
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As a right leaning, small Gov’t endorsing, generally pro-cop (100% pro-good cop), I’m confused how my rights are being infringed upon by a sobriety checkpoint? Heck, I think it’s counter productive to announce where/when they’ll be. Are people mad simply because of an inconvenience to them in the interest of general safety and the enforcement of law? As a law abiding citizen, I am happy when I come across the checkpoints and thank the officers for doing that job.
 
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mdff21 said:
If I understand your post, you want them to be paid a straight salary with no overtime. Hmmmm, maybe a brilliant idea!! Then there is no need to write tickets, or spend countless hours working a homicide or any other felony, work the 8 hour shift then go home. Since they can only work the 8 hour shift with no overtime, you can close the courts because the officers won't get paid to testify because they have to be on the roads patrolling or working a crime scene from the day/week/month before. The ones doing criminal investigations can't go to court because they are out trying to solve that crime that happened last month because they can only work 8 hours a day. The can either do the work and go to court on overtime or just ride around for 8 hours doing nothing, if they do something then they might have to go to court, which means if in court no one on the roads or paid overtime.
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It is apparent that you do not understand how salaried positions function. They are not strictly 8 hour working shifts. If one has to work extra hours in the course of a day to finish assigned tasks, then one works those extra hours to finish those tasks as part of being salaried. In essence, if say for a homicide, if it takes 12 hours to investigate the scene and gather evidence, then that's how long the work day is. If a run of the mill day, 8 to 9 hours. A system such as this would allow, "law enforcement", to focus on the more serious and substantial crimes that occur. Instead of being lazy sitting around with a radar gun watching rush hour traffic while all are safely speeding and passing by, and picking out any one car to give a ticket. Maybe, instead, they will be looking for that ass of a driver weaving in an out of traffic, recklessly driving, speeding faster and passing the the rest, making it unsafe for everyone? Basically, with this system, the citizens won't be harassed to no end. With such a system, priorities would change with a focus on actual, society hurting, crimes. As it should be. What we have now is legalized theft squads that do nothing but feed the court system and fill the coffers of government.
 
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For an underfunded line of service, that sounds like the perfect recipe for abuse by management. Pay rates are predetermined and the variable of “actual work hours” are up to the discretion of management. Yearly projection looking like its trending over budget? No worries, just reduce staff and delegate those tasks and hours to the remaining employees. Why not? By law they cannot strike ...... and an administration ( it their superiors) control the pay scale and raises. Not saying a better option doesn’t exist but placing beat cops on salary isn’t it.
 
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As a right leaning, small Gov’t endorsing, generally pro-cop (100% pro-good cop), I’m confused how my rights are being infringed upon by a sobriety checkpoint? Heck, I think it’s counter productive to announce where/when they’ll be. Are people mad simply because of an inconvenience to them in the interest of general safety and the enforcement of law? As a law abiding citizen, I am happy when I come across the checkpoints and thank the officers for doing that job.
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You sure did a good job of contradicting yourself. How about this. Instead of thinking of yourself as a "law abiding citizen", think of yourself of being a free man, responsible, accountable for your own actions, that takes umbridge as an affront to your freedoms, rights, and liberties, to be unnecessarily stopped, and interfered with, impeded in your travels, by agents of government casting a wide net and doing more than just looking for intoxicated drivers. To instill fear, and a baseless, misguided, and fallacious obedience to a costumed individual with a shinny badge, as well as to an unanswerable ever encroaching government, is what these are all about. They should be sitting outside bars and nightclubs waiting for the drunkards to get into a car. But wait a minute, that might hurt business and tax revenues to the County and State. Instead they weave a tale delivered by a complicit media to be swallowed whole by the masses as being acceptable. With the masses then blindly and obediently parroting the message, chastising anyone that speaks differently of the official narrative. Ostracizing all who do not fall in line. But I digress .....
 
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If you think I should (or anyone should) expect laws to be enforced without the expectation/assumption of an extremely minimal amount of inconvenience, I’m not sure you’re realistic in believing such could ever happen. No one is forcing people to drink beyond the legal limit and get behind the wheel of a car to subject others on the public road to potentially life threatening risks. They chose to do so and cops are charged with upholding the law that says its illegal (in an effort to protect you and your family). One of those ways if through checkpoints. I’m sorry if you feel that exchange is unbalanced but to me it’s fine. I’m not losing any rights and if you’re claiming that a checkpoint is really some kind of illegal detention, you’re more of a hurt snowflake then the fluffiest of liberals.
 
Pete

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Everyone knows drunks don't check the internet for locations of sobriety check points. This should work out well.
 
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Pete said:
Everyone knows drunks don't check the internet for locations of sobriety check points. This should work out well.
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The reason they announce the check points is (1) it's required by law, and (2) the goal is to keep people who have been drinking from getting behind the wheel. When they announce it, there are people who will think twice and then stay home or get a DD. I would think that is the ultimate goal.............. to keep people off the road in the first place.

I will say that they really don't need to go as far as announcing the approximate location like they did this time. They don't always do that.
 
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Pete said:
Everyone knows drunks don't check the internet for locations of sobriety check points. This should work out well.
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I hear it talked about at the bar, so the word does get out. I don't drink, so it's a non-issue for me. :howdy:
 
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You guys do know that even in your car you are on the public roadways with other law abiding drivers.. Yeah, its an inconvenience to be bottle-necked in traffic while the police "infringe on your Constitutional Rights", ahem, but when you obtained any driving permit PRIVILEGES , you sorta agreed to this....
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I do realize that and our tolerance of the "privilege" is going to bite us in the ass in the not to distant future.
Basically the state has asked or coerced you into signing away your rights to search and seizure. I also thing self incrimination is gone as well because if you are in an accident they can demand you release your medical records (to see if you had alcohol or drugs in your system).

Someone is going to decide that having a gun is a privilege, and will add laws that you agree to a search to ensure your weapons are stored properly and all weapons and ammunition are accounted for. You might be asked to keep a log book of all discharges of a weapon, time, location and how many rounds. After all, we are granting you the privilege to exercise your right and it's for the safety of the public.

Apologies for the sarcasm, but the entire checkpoint thing seems to be a bit of a farce.
Where they are located, that they have to be advertised in advance, allowing an :"out".
I've been stopped in couple and it's funny to see some driver turn down the side street only to have a patrol car follow and light them up.
As someone said, if you want to catch drunks, there are some obvious places and times where you would probably need a bus to take them away.

FWIW, I don't think it's the Sheriff's choice, I thought the money from this comes from the State Police, and they run the checkpoints, the Sheriff's deputies provide additional manpower and vehicles. Also, it's OT for some of the officers working, that money comes from the state.

But yes, I find it troubling that "good police work" is now defined by how many vehicles you can stop for some alleged violation, with the primary motive being simply a search of the vehicle and it's occupants. Gives you thoughts of a police state, "papers please".
 
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