Now we know: it was (and remains) an attempted coup

[PsyOps]

Then it should be really easy for you to find a quote that says he planned an illegal tape recording.
Invoking the 25th is in no way illegal or wrong. It’s an amendment for Christ’s sake. That is what it is there for.

The Attorney General and Director of the FBI have no authority on their own to invoke the 25th. There have been not defined grounds outlined in the 25th that McCabe stipulated Rosenstein would use.

I never said invoking the 25th would have been illegal; I said using a wire in the WH without permission would have been illegal.

Here, I'll do this for you:

Andrew McCabe: The full 60 Minutes interview

Former Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe tells 60 Minutes about taking over for James Comey, starting investigations of President Trump, interactions with the president and his own firing

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Midnightrider]

The Attorney General and Director of the FBI have no authority on their own to invoke the 25th. There have been not defined grounds outlined in the 25th that McCabe stipulated Rosenstein would use.

I never said invoking the 25th would have been illegal; I said using a wire in the WH without permission would have been illegal.

Here, I'll do this for you:

Andrew McCabe: The full 60 Minutes interview

Former Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe tells 60 Minutes about taking over for James Comey, starting investigations of President Trump, interactions with the president and his own firing

www.cbsnews.com

Would it have been? Omarisa did it and wasn’t prosecuted. But there are other ways he could have legally worn a wire. The suggestion does not mean it would necessarily be an illegal wire. These are the guys who got numerous warrants in during this investigation. Why would they all of the sudden go illegal?

 

[Bann]

So whatever happened to hanging people for treason when they attempted an overthrow of our government?

RIGHT!??? I just said to Foxhound, they should be shot!

 

[PsyOps]

Would it have been? Omarisa did it and wasn’t prosecuted. But there are other ways he could have legally worn a wire. The suggestion does not mean it would necessarily be an illegal wire. These are the guys who got numerous warrants in during this investigation. Why would they all of the sudden go illegal?

Yes, it is illegal. Trump seems to not want to press it with Omarosa. It's his prerogative to press charges. We're talking about a guy, in a very powerful position, conspiring to 1) illegally record the president to 2) somehow gather evidence to invoke the 25th.

Aren't you the least bit concerned that these people that are supposed to be enforcing the law to protect the American people are conspiring to find ways to take the down a president they are simply pissed off at for firing their buddy - Comey? None of this scares you at all?

I know what your answer is going to be. The fact that you have such deep opinions about something that you didn't even bother to gather the facts about tell me you're too interested in unfounded opinions than facts and truth.

 

[Midnightrider]

Yes, it is illegal. Trump seems to not want to press it with Omarosa. It's his prerogative to press charges. We're talking about a guy, in a very powerful position, conspiring to 1) illegally record the president to 2) somehow gather evidence to invoke the 25th.

Aren't you the least bit concerned that these people that are supposed to be enforcing the law to protect the American people are conspiring to find ways to take the down a president they are simply pissed off at for firing their buddy - Comey? None of this scares you at all?

I know what your answer is going to be. The fact that you have such deep opinions about something that you didn't even bother to gather the facts about tell me you're too interested in unfounded opinions than facts and truth.

I’ve looked and the only place I see ‘illegal recording’ coming out of McCabes mouth is in your posts.

I would be very concerned if I thought that is what happened. But it looks to me like there was plenty of smoke to initiate the investigation. How many convictions is it going to take before you get concerned about the trump campaign?

 

[TCROW]

So whatever happened to hanging people for treason when they attempted an overthrow of our government?

Clearly you’re making that up as there has never been a single US citizen hung or otherwise executed for treason.

Don’t use words of which you don’t understand the meaning.

 

[Hijinx]

Would it have been? Omarisa did it and wasn’t prosecuted. But there are other ways he could have legally worn a wire. The suggestion does not mean it would necessarily be an illegal wire. These are the guys who got numerous warrants in during this investigation. Why would they all of the sudden go illegal?

The FISA Warrants were illegal from the get-go.

 

[Hijinx]

I’ve looked and the only place I see ‘illegal recording’ coming out of McCabes mouth is in your posts.

I would be very concerned if I thought that is what happened. But it looks to me like there was plenty of smoke to initiate the investigation. How many convictions is it going to take before you get concerned about the trump campaign?

How many people have been convicted of Collusion?

 

[Midnightrider]

The FISA Warrants were illegal from the get-go.

Because trump said so in a tweet?

If that is true why no prosecution, what is trump waiting for?

 

[Ken King]

Clearly you’re making that up as there has never been a single US citizen hung or otherwise executed for treason.

Don’t use words of which you don’t understand the meaning.

Really? It might have been a while ago, but John Brown, Mary Surratt, William Mumford, were all hung for treason.

 

[TCROW]

Really? It might have been a while ago, but John Brown, Mary Surratt, William Mumford, were all hung for treason.

John Brown was execute by the Commonwealth of VA (not the U.S.) of which Harper's Ferry was then a part.

Surratt was convicted of and executed for Conspiracy against the U.S. Mumford was convicted of treason but was executed for ripping down the U.S. flag during the Civil War.

 

[SamSpade]

I think it's appropriate and useful to examine these kinds of events this way --

Imagine if the year wasn't 2017, but 2009. Imagine if law enforcement and members of the Department of Justice were doing
the SAME THINGS - but with Obama. For those on the left - would that sort of thing created the same outrage - in YOU?
Imagine if you will how you'd react if the target was Obama, and people were trying to remove HIM from office.

I think the thing is creepy, and it's bizarre that these guys are talking about it as though they were doing
something brave. If the media hadn't spun this story about Trump the Manchurian Candidate, we would all be
similarly outraged that people would brag about spying on the President.

 

[TCROW]

I think it's appropriate and useful to examine these kinds of events this way --

Imagine if the year wasn't 2017, but 2009. Imagine if law enforcement and members of the Department of Justice were doing
the SAME THINGS - but with Obama. For those on the left - would that sort of thing created the same outrage - in YOU?
Imagine if you will how you'd react if the target was Obama, and people were trying to remove HIM from office.

I think the thing is creepy, and it's bizarre that these guys are talking about it as though they were doing
something brave. If the media hadn't spun this story about Trump the Manchurian Candidate, we would all be
similarly outraged that people would brag about spying on the President.

I think one day you'll wake up extremely surprised to learn the sorts of things federal law enforcement and intelligence apparatus employees are paid to do for the nation.

 

[SamSpade]

I think one day you'll wake up extremely surprised to learn the sorts of things federal law enforcement and intelligence apparatus employees are paid to do for the nation.

I do know that 25 years ago, people I work with were being pressured by higher ups to "modify" some of the economic statistics they publish every month. I'm aware of the sleaziness of Washington.

I'm just surprised that someone would admit - and defend it.

 

[CPUSA]

Then it should be really easy for you to find a quote that says he planned an illegal tape recording. Then it should be really easy for you to go find it yourself. Stop being laz...sorry, you ARE a socialist so laziness comes naturally for you
Invoking the 25th is in no way illegal or wrong. Until they planned to invoke it illegally

Why does actual LAW escape you so easily?

 

[Midnightrider]

Why does actual LAW escape you so easily?

Explain how discussing using the 25th constitutes using it illegally.

I looked, that BS about an illegal wire is not in the tape. BTW, DC is a one party consent jurisdiction when it comes to wires and bugs.

I think it's appropriate and useful to examine these kinds of events this way --

Imagine if the year wasn't 2017, but 2009. Imagine if law enforcement and members of the Department of Justice were doing
the SAME THINGS - but with Obama. For those on the left - would that sort of thing created the same outrage - in YOU?
Imagine if you will how you'd react if the target was Obama, and people were trying to remove HIM from office.

I think the thing is creepy, and it's bizarre that these guys are talking about it as though they were doing
something brave. If the media hadn't spun this story about Trump the Manchurian Candidate, we would all be
similarly outraged that people would brag about spying on the President.

If, what are you talking IF this happened to Obama. There was the exact same Manchurian candidate BS it was just the socialists and Muslims at the heart of the conspiracy rather than the Russians. Since they couldn’t use the 25th they tried to go ‘full birther’ on Obama and they were led by none other than the current Cheeto in Cheif.

 

[SamSpade]

they tried to go ‘full birther’ on Obama

Really? Where was the press on that? The outrage from the Senate and House?
The years long investigations, and the never-ending coverage of it in the press?
The marches, protests, the assaults on social media?
The constant drumbeat from Hollywood, TV, late night talk show hosts, the evening news,
pundits on talk shows - all aligned against the President because he wasn't a citizen?
Do you really think they're the same?

You cannot equate the musings of Alex Jones and conspiracy theorists to the second in command at the FBI
trying to find a way to take down the President. NOTHING has ever been done to any previous occupant
of the Oval Office on the scale of what is being done now. And it is clear enough from this weekend's revelations
that they had nothing to precipitate an investigation other than resentment and revenge.

 

[Midnightrider]

Really? Where was the press on that? The outrage from the Senate and House?
The years long investigations, and the never-ending coverage of it in the press?
The marches, protests, the assaults on social media?
The constant drumbeat from Hollywood, TV, late night talk show hosts, the evening news,
pundits on talk shows - all aligned against the President because he wasn't a citizen?
Do you really think they're the same?

You cannot equate the musings of Alex Jones and conspiracy theorists to the second in command at the FBI
trying to find a way to take down the President. NOTHING has ever been done to any previous occupant
of the Oval Office on the scale of what is being done now. And it is clear enough from this weekend's revelations
that they had nothing to precipitate an investigation other than resentment and revenge.

That’s some hilarious revisionist history.

Trump, the current president lead the birther charge. There were numerous investigations and lawsuits and I’m pretty sure the idiot birthers took it all the way to scotus.

Funny how that revenge has somehow lead to so many crimes being uncovered and so many convictions

 

[GURPS]

Trump, the current president lead the birther charge.

Bull Chit

 

[Midnightrider]

Bull Chit

How Donald Trump Perpetuated the 'Birther' Movement for Years

abcnews.go.com