Obama tonight...

bcp

In My Opinion
In the states that early voting is allowed, (at least in Florida for sure) you are not required to vote in your voting district when you vote early.
this means, I can vote in Laurel under my fathers name (if he were dead) then on election day, I can vote in my own district under my name. I tend to think this is why the dems want early voting.
the dems are also against proving your identity at the polling place, another good way to cheat the election.

So, I assume that you are also upset about how maryland casts its electoral votes?
and before you mention it, I was also against it when I saw al the bore lose in 2000 with the majority of popular votes, do you know why that happened? states voted the electoral votes without concern for how their districts actually voted.
Obama will not earn 10 votes from Maryland, he will earn 5 at the most, but he will get all 10.
do you see this for the serious problem that it is?
 

bcp

In My Opinion
I voted absentee so my vote would be recorded.

I know that I will not be able to make it to my registered polling precinct during voting hours. While the state/country has made it difficult for willing voters to vote in person, I went out of my way to make sure my vote gets counted.


I don't care if my vote is recorded first or last. I care that it's counted.
absentee has the same possibility to cheat as early voting, why add the other option?
wouldnt it be better to get rid of the opportunity to cheat than to add additional ways?
 

Kerad

New Member
First of all, how does early voting help eligible Americans to vote? I mean how did this country ever manage in the past?

Second, the biggest problem I see with early voting is it gives the media the chance to start pumping out fallacious results before the election is over. People are so easily swayed when they think their vote wont matter. If they hear that a certain candidate is far in the lead over another a week before the election is over they are inclined to not waste their time.
Absentee voting helps many Americans record their vote.


I can't get to vote on Election Day, due to work. If it was a national holiday as it should be, I could.

It helps those that are away from their home districts for a myriad of reasons (deployment, work, vacation, etc.) to vote. Why should someone lose their American duty to vote just because they aren't physically in their home district?

Early/absentee votes are not officially acknowledged ahead of Election Day. In fact, those results typically trickle in after the fact.
 

awpitt

Main Streeter
PREMO Member
I watched BO's infomercial and he spent the entire 30 minutes talking about what his plans are, didn't mention McCain. Just talked about BO's plans. You might not agree with what he said but that's what he focused on during the 30 minutes. At 9pm, I started watching John McCain on Larry King. During his 30 - 40 minute segment, McCain spent about 14 minutes attacking BO. He should've used that time talking more about what he wants to do as President.
 

Kerad

New Member
What does that have to do with it? It's Congress that determines budgets not the president. You don't think Frank will have any influence on BO? But you want more, BO doesn't. Here is what BO said (my comments in red:
It has to do with it because you introduced it. Frank can say whatever the hell he wants. Frank is not running for President, and anything he proposes will have to pass the standard filters before it gets to President Obama's desk.


I know that you Bushies are used to everything the Republican Congress put on Bush's desk got signed...but your people were a bunch of fatcat b1tches.

Politically speaking.
 

Kerad

New Member
absentee has the same possibility to cheat as early voting, why add the other option?
wouldnt it be better to get rid of the opportunity to cheat than to add additional ways?


Now you're just trying to be stupid.
 

Kerad

New Member
I watched BO's infomercial and he spent the entire 30 minutes talking about what his plans are, didn't mention McCain. Just talked about BO's plans. You might not agree with what he said but that's what he focused on during the 30 minutes. At 9pm, I started watching John McCain on Larry King. During his 30 - 40 minute segment, McCain spent about 14 minutes attacking BO. He should've used that time talking more about what he wants to do as President.

EXACTLY!




I've seen many Obama commercials talking about what HE would do...and never mention McCain once.


I can honestly say I've never seen a McCain commercial (in the last month) that didn't mention Obama.



We know why. They know why.
 

backagain39

New Member
Once again, you are wrong.

I voted absentee because I will be working 14 hours straight on election day, protecting our country.
Do you realize that Obama is cutting military funding? Do you realize that he is so great that he has no need for defense..

*I will sit down and talk with any country without pre-conditions*

Soooo if this happens you may be out of a job really soon.......
 

bcp

In My Opinion
Now you're just trying to be stupid.
If you refuse to see how the dems are going to use this as a method to cheat, then you my friend are the stupid one.

History of the dem party tells us what they do.

dead voting, animals voting, letting the illegals vote by registering them when they get their false drivers license, double voting with absentee ballot, now double voting with early voting in different districts add all that to throwing out the republican vote and you end up with one seriously corrupt state.

if this was the other way around the dems would be rioting in the streets.
 

Kerad

New Member
Do you realize that Obama is cutting military funding? Do you realize that he is so great that he has no need for defense..

*I will sit down and talk with any country without pre-conditions*

Soooo if this happens you may be out of a job really soon.......
He's not cutting military funding. In fact, he's increasing it.

Not only that, but he's going to concentrate our military strength where it needs to be focused on, instead of losing sight of what matters to conduct some half-assed Glory-Grab which makes our security worse.
 

Kerad

New Member
If you refuse to see how the dems are going to use this as a method to cheat, then you my friend are the stupid one.

History of the dem party tells us what they do.

dead voting, animals voting, letting the illegals vote by registering them when they get their false drivers license, double voting with absentee ballot, now double voting with early voting in different districts add all that to throwing out the republican vote and you end up with one seriously corrupt state.

if this was the other way around the dems would be rioting in the streets.
:killingme

I'm not going to argue with you. Keep clutching that Republican motto: "Don't Believe The Truth" as tightly as you can. It's your teddy bear that gets you through the night.


Cast your vote on Tuesday. :yay:
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
Vote for McCain if you honestly believe him to be the better choice. :yay:
I am voting for McCain, and I do honestly believe him to be the better choice. He's certainly not my absolute candidate of choice. I was quite fond of Rudy, but I didn't even get a chance to vote for him in the primaries. :ohwell:

I am astounded with the number of folks who have bought into Obama. It's like people are hypnotized or something, and I just want to shake them and snap them the hell out of it.
 

backagain39

New Member
Read on my friend, he is increasing community organizer groups.....not the military....


Obama on National Service, July 2, 2008

Just as we must value and encourage military service across our society, we must honor and expand other opportunities to serve. Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but it also depends on the teacher in East LA, or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia. . . .

Today, AmeriCorps – our nation’s network of local, state and national service programs – has 75,000 slots. And I know firsthand the quality of these programs. My wife Michelle once left her job at a law firm at city hall to be a founding director of an AmeriCorps program in Chicago that trains young people for careers in public service. These programs invest Americans in their communities and their country. They tap America’s greatest resource – our citizens.
That’s why as President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots, and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer.So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
Undoubtedly, much of what Obama is talking about is also proposed on his website, for example:

He will establish a Classroom Corps to help teachers and students, with a priority placed on underserved schools; a Health Corps to improve public health outreach; a Clean Energy Corps to conduct weatherization and renewable energy projects; a Veterans Corps to assist veterans at hospitals, nursing homes and homeless shelters; and a Homeland Security Corps to help communities plan, prepare for and respond to emergencies.


So I think it’s incorrect to think that Obama is proposing some new paramilitary organization or is just referring to the FBI or the CIA.

B. Comments on Obama's Proposal

The part of Obama’s comment that may be a genuine cause for concern is his statement that this civilian force has to be “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military.

1. First, Obama is suggesting a fundamental restructuring of our national government with civilian service organizations becoming roughly as important and as expensive as our military. He is proposing to carve another large slice out of the private sector and assign it to the government.
As his website makes clear, Obama is proposing to "Require 100 Hours of Service in College" and grant a $4,000 tax credit to college students for 100 hours of community service work, an effective wage of $40 an hour.


Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.

Further, Obama proposes to divert fully a quarter of college work study funds away from work in college libraries and student services to serving the larger community. (As someone who went to Yale College on a full need scholarship and did work-study, the university would probably have had to hire someone else to do much of the work that I did. Over two years I also did unpaid tutoring in a local high school.)

2. Second, there is the cost. The US military has about 2 million members in service and about 650,000 civilians employed by the Defense Department. Its proposed FY2009 budget is about $585 billion.

Today, before Obama’s expansions, AmeriCorps currently has about 1.875 million members in its various programs: 75,000 in the main AmeriCorps program, 500,000 seniors in the SeniorCorps, and 1.3 million students in the Learn and Serve America program. Obama’s proposed increases in AmeriCorps alone would lead to at least the 175,000 new members mentioned in his speech, bringing the AmeriCorps total to at least 2,050,000 members, about the same as the military’s 2 million members. While the military also has about 650,000 civilian employees, it is unclear how big the existing bureaucracy is at AmeriCorps and other parts of Obama's civilian security force.

With Obama’s proposed increases in the Foreign Service, the Peace Corps, and other agencies — not to mention the existing and expanded bureaucracies to run them — the total number of members of Obama’s civilian national security force should range from about 2.1 to 2.7 million members and staff, roughly the same numbers as are employed by the Department of Defense.
Yet the current budget of AmeriCorps is under $1 billion, as is the Peace Corps’. The budget of the Defense Department, on the other hand, is about $585 billion, over $200,000 per employee. Although the equipment costs involved in Obama’s civilian national security force would be small compared to the equipment needs of the military, they would not be trivial (building infrastructure is one of Obama's more expensive goals). (Further, pension and health care costs for former members of the military take up a significant minority of military funding.)
The Heritage Foundation reports that spending on military personnel averages $70,000 per member, though it is not clear what that entails.


If Obama is talking about funding his civilian national security corps at the same level as the military, he would need at least an additional $500 billion.


Even though Peace Corps volunteers are poorly paid under the existing program, the agency’s annual budget is still about $43,000 per Peace Corps volunteer, not a trivial amount. If pay for Peace Corps volunteers and funding for their programs were raised to military levels, the per capita cost of the program would probably increase several fold. If one raised funding for Obama’s civilian corps only to the same level as the military spending on personnel only ($70,000 per member), we would require at least $150 billion in additional annual funding.

These staggeringly huge numbers are driven in part by the large numbers of students in AmeriCorps, 1.3 million of them. If the students were paid only $4,000 each, rather than $70,000 in personnel costs, and the student program is assumed to be otherwise completely free to administer, and the rest of AmeriCorps cost $100,000 per member, then the budget increase needed would be about $100 billion.

Also, is Obama going to expand the GI Bill to cover the 2-3 million people in Obama’s civilian national security force? If they deserve the same power, strength, and funding as the military, why not?


So – if Obama means what he says – his civilian national security corps would cost at least another $100 billion a year, and perhaps as much as $500 billion a year. With total federal income taxes of $935 billion in 2005, Obama's proposal would mean using up to half of all federal income tax revenues just to fund his promise “to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military.


3. Last, given the dangers and the sacrifices that our fighting men and women are making every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, is it really fair to suggest that AmeriCorps and similar programs should be “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military?

Times have certainly changed. I hesitate to think what the American public would have thought of a politician during World War II who suggested that those donating their time to tutoring, visiting the sick, or leading blackout drills on neighborhood watches on the homefront should be “just as well funded” as those serving in the military. My grandfather, who was too old to serve in WW II and led such neighborhood drills, was a man whom I admired more than anyone else I knew while I was growing up. I’m certain that my grandfather would have thought Obama’s suggestion to be strangely lacking in proportion and simple common sense.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
No, it's more of a barfumentary. Michelle talking about how fabulous he is with his kids, him and his kids all laughing and playing, sad expose's such as a woman having to decide if she can buy a gallon of milk or has to settle for a half gallon. It's so sugary sweet, anyone watching is sure go into a diabetic coma. :dead:

Oh, my stars! Having to settle for only a half gallon? What a sob story!

When my kids were visiting their father this summer - I saw the price of a 1/2 gallon of milk. I never buy 1/2 gallons. I buy the same skim milk all the time either in Safeway or Food Lion. The price of 1/2 gallon was almost 2/3 the price of a gallon! It irked me that I had to pay that price, but I would only use 1/2 gallon, as a whole gallon would have spoiled before I used it.

:rolleyes:
 

Kerad

New Member
I am voting for McCain, and I do honestly believe him to be the better choice. He's certainly not my absolute candidate of choice. I was quite fond of Rudy, but I didn't even get a chance to vote for him in the primaries. :ohwell:

I am astounded with the number of folks who have bought into Obama. It's like people are hypnotized or something, and I just want to shake them and snap them the hell out of it.
In 2004, I knew...I KNEW that there was no way in Hell that Bush could be re-elected.

I KNEW that there was no way that the majority of Americans could reward his first presidency with a second one.

No Way.

NO FRAKKING WAY!!!







I was stunned.


STUNNED.
 

Kerad

New Member
Read on my friend, he is increasing community organizer groups.....not the military....


Obama on National Service, July 2, 2008

Just as we must value and encourage military service across our society, we must honor and expand other opportunities to serve. Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but it also depends on the teacher in East LA, or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia. . . .

Today, AmeriCorps – our nation’s network of local, state and national service programs – has 75,000 slots. And I know firsthand the quality of these programs. My wife Michelle once left her job at a law firm at city hall to be a founding director of an AmeriCorps program in Chicago that trains young people for careers in public service. These programs invest Americans in their communities and their country. They tap America’s greatest resource – our citizens.
That’s why as President, I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots, and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their efforts connected to a common purpose. People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer.So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods all across the country. We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.
We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.
Undoubtedly, much of what Obama is talking about is also proposed on his website, for example:

He will establish a Classroom Corps to help teachers and students, with a priority placed on underserved schools; a Health Corps to improve public health outreach; a Clean Energy Corps to conduct weatherization and renewable energy projects; a Veterans Corps to assist veterans at hospitals, nursing homes and homeless shelters; and a Homeland Security Corps to help communities plan, prepare for and respond to emergencies.


So I think it’s incorrect to think that Obama is proposing some new paramilitary organization or is just referring to the FBI or the CIA.

B. Comments on Obama's Proposal

The part of Obama’s comment that may be a genuine cause for concern is his statement that this civilian force has to be “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military.

1. First, Obama is suggesting a fundamental restructuring of our national government with civilian service organizations becoming roughly as important and as expensive as our military. He is proposing to carve another large slice out of the private sector and assign it to the government.
As his website makes clear, Obama is proposing to "Require 100 Hours of Service in College" and grant a $4,000 tax credit to college students for 100 hours of community service work, an effective wage of $40 an hour.


Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year.

Further, Obama proposes to divert fully a quarter of college work study funds away from work in college libraries and student services to serving the larger community. (As someone who went to Yale College on a full need scholarship and did work-study, the university would probably have had to hire someone else to do much of the work that I did. Over two years I also did unpaid tutoring in a local high school.)

2. Second, there is the cost. The US military has about 2 million members in service and about 650,000 civilians employed by the Defense Department. Its proposed FY2009 budget is about $585 billion.

Today, before Obama’s expansions, AmeriCorps currently has about 1.875 million members in its various programs: 75,000 in the main AmeriCorps program, 500,000 seniors in the SeniorCorps, and 1.3 million students in the Learn and Serve America program. Obama’s proposed increases in AmeriCorps alone would lead to at least the 175,000 new members mentioned in his speech, bringing the AmeriCorps total to at least 2,050,000 members, about the same as the military’s 2 million members. While the military also has about 650,000 civilian employees, it is unclear how big the existing bureaucracy is at AmeriCorps and other parts of Obama's civilian security force.

With Obama’s proposed increases in the Foreign Service, the Peace Corps, and other agencies — not to mention the existing and expanded bureaucracies to run them — the total number of members of Obama’s civilian national security force should range from about 2.1 to 2.7 million members and staff, roughly the same numbers as are employed by the Department of Defense.
Yet the current budget of AmeriCorps is under $1 billion, as is the Peace Corps’. The budget of the Defense Department, on the other hand, is about $585 billion, over $200,000 per employee. Although the equipment costs involved in Obama’s civilian national security force would be small compared to the equipment needs of the military, they would not be trivial (building infrastructure is one of Obama's more expensive goals). (Further, pension and health care costs for former members of the military take up a significant minority of military funding.)
The Heritage Foundation reports that spending on military personnel averages $70,000 per member, though it is not clear what that entails.


If Obama is talking about funding his civilian national security corps at the same level as the military, he would need at least an additional $500 billion.


Even though Peace Corps volunteers are poorly paid under the existing program, the agency’s annual budget is still about $43,000 per Peace Corps volunteer, not a trivial amount. If pay for Peace Corps volunteers and funding for their programs were raised to military levels, the per capita cost of the program would probably increase several fold. If one raised funding for Obama’s civilian corps only to the same level as the military spending on personnel only ($70,000 per member), we would require at least $150 billion in additional annual funding.

These staggeringly huge numbers are driven in part by the large numbers of students in AmeriCorps, 1.3 million of them. If the students were paid only $4,000 each, rather than $70,000 in personnel costs, and the student program is assumed to be otherwise completely free to administer, and the rest of AmeriCorps cost $100,000 per member, then the budget increase needed would be about $100 billion.

Also, is Obama going to expand the GI Bill to cover the 2-3 million people in Obama’s civilian national security force? If they deserve the same power, strength, and funding as the military, why not?


So – if Obama means what he says – his civilian national security corps would cost at least another $100 billion a year, and perhaps as much as $500 billion a year. With total federal income taxes of $935 billion in 2005, Obama's proposal would mean using up to half of all federal income tax revenues just to fund his promise “to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military.


3. Last, given the dangers and the sacrifices that our fighting men and women are making every day in Iraq and Afghanistan, is it really fair to suggest that AmeriCorps and similar programs should be “just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded” as the military?

Times have certainly changed. I hesitate to think what the American public would have thought of a politician during World War II who suggested that those donating their time to tutoring, visiting the sick, or leading blackout drills on neighborhood watches on the homefront should be “just as well funded” as those serving in the military. My grandfather, who was too old to serve in WW II and led such neighborhood drills, was a man whom I admired more than anyone else I knew while I was growing up. I’m certain that my grandfather would have thought Obama’s suggestion to be strangely lacking in proportion and simple common sense.

Link?
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
Did he try to sell some Sham-WOW's or Chia Pets?

"Vote for me and I will put a chicken in every pot......BUT WAIT! THERES MORE! If you vote now we will throw in a nice extra tax rebate even though you don't pay any taxes at all!

Good deal eh? BUT WAIT THERE IS EVEN MORE! If you vote now and again on Tuesday under an ACORN assisted false registration we will give you a chicken for your pot, and EXTRA tax rebate AND we will sign you up for some government paid health care. Don't think sitting in a clogged up emergency room with cold and flu sufferers is a good deal we will send you a free Obama supporter HEAD OF THE LINE card AB-SO-LUTE-LY FREE!

That is a chicken, a tax rebate, free government sponsored health care from a doctor who barely made it out of community college AND the Obama supporter head of line card BUT you have to vote NOW and again on Tuesday!

Oooh, I can't wait to vote for him!:yahoo:
 

backagain39

New Member
Kerad, I found several that have basically the same info on Obama's speech...hold on and I will get all the links.......
 
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