Obama's Gun Ban List Is Out

[thatguy]

Short Barelled Rifles under 16", the fees + the process being such a PITA prevents me from owning them for one.

so what you are saying is that you could own one, but you choose not to....

 

[thatguy]

I don't feel I "loose" any credibility, look at the voting record, look at the statements some of the ones you defend have said in the past when speakng more candidly.

Sensible to most the libs means being able to own certain bolt action rifles, pump shotguns and total bans on handguns and anything that is "military style". Of course there are many that would like to see an out an out ban on guns altogether, is this new information? I really don't think I need to post a bunch of youtube clips to prove my point.

i was talking about when you dismiss the opinion of another gun owner just because they dont agree with your opinion.

and i haven't defended anyone. i am just putting the propaganda that was originally posted here into perspective.

 

[AK-74me]

so what you are saying is that you could own one, but you choose not to....

Is it really an option for anyone but a very small portion of the population to own an m-16? Yes, it is possible but the laws have prevented everyone except the very rich from being able to own these. So they have in fact made so unrealistic for most the population to own, they might as well be banned.

But I guess in your mind that is not infringed.

 

[AK-74me]

i was talking about when you dismiss the opinion of another gun owner just because they dont agree with your opinion.

and i haven't defended anyone. i am just putting the propaganda that was originally posted here into perspective.

Whatever dude, you are either lying to yourself about the current administration protecting your gun rights or you are lying to us about really caring about gun rights.

 

[thatguy]

Is it really an option for anyone but a very small portion of the population to own an m-16? Yes, it is possible but the laws have prevented everyone except the very rich from being able to own these. So they have in fact made so unrealistic for most the population to own, they might as well be banned.

But I guess in your mind that is not infringed.

if you really have to have one can you buy it?

besides, there are plenty of weapons that are sold legally that would serve the same purpose as far as a defense from tyranical government goes. So you can buy the one you want OR you have a more affordable option....

 

[thatguy]

Whatever dude, you are either lying to yourself about the current administration protecting your gun rights or you are lying to us about really caring about gun rights.

and there it is again

i guess all gun owners are expected to have the same opinion just like all republicans and all black people.....

 

[This_person]

But I guess in your mind that is not infringed.

Clearly in his mind a $15,000 tax per round of ammunition is not "infringement", because it would still be available to you.

The way some people "think" is really just scary.

 

[AK-74me]

and there it is again

i guess all gun owners are expected to have the same opinion just like all republicans and all black people.....

You really fit the mold, no more discussion is needed here, you obvisouly have such a better understanding than all of us.

 

[thatguy]

You really fit the mold, no more discussion is needed here, you obvisouly have such a better understanding than all of us.

i at least am willing to accept that not everyone is in agreement as to what constitutes "infringement"

your opinion is valid, but mine is equally so.

 

[2ndAmendment]

so exactly what guns that you want to buy have you been prevented from owning?

Anything my little heart desires. How about a M-2? M-16? M-40 grenade launcher? Abrams tank and a F15 if I could afford them. These are all weapons that I should be able to buy. Are they used for hunting? No!. They are used to keep the government under control.

The purpose of the Second Amendment was not about hunting or sports. It is absolutely about the people being able to defend themselves against the government the founders were forming. If you don't believe that, then you need to read more history.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Well, if you'll note herein;



...you can see, clearly, where the requirement of state approval and regulations is spelled out.


BTW, that's two days in a row that you sound positively Paulian. Atta girl!

I hope you are kidding. Right????

The phrase "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State," places absolutely no limitation on "the right of the People to keep and bear arms" and the phrase "shall not be infringed." says there are no limitations on what arms the people have the right to keep and bear.

Try reading this. Grammatical and Usage Analysis of the 2nd. Amendment - www.ezboard.com

 

[2ndAmendment]

I don't feel I "loose" any credibility, look at the voting record, look at the statements some of the ones you defend have said in the past when speakng more candidly.

Gotta watch that loose credibility. If it is loose, you may lose it.

 

[2ndAmendment]

so what you are saying is that you could own one, but you choose not to....

Actually finding certain weapons is very difficult because the Federal government, the one that is supposed to preserve and defend your rights, have infringed those rights by restricting the availability of certain weapons and requiring special licensing. Those, by definition, are infringements.

 

[2ndAmendment]

and there it is again

i guess all gun owners are expected to have the same opinion just like all republicans and all black people.....

I just want the government to follow the Constitution as written. Simple. Easy.

But they don't and BO is about to cross the line again as he did with the stimulus (Bush did too). The straw that breaks the U.S.'s back may be coming soon and that is sad.

 

[Larry Gude]

I hope you are kidding. Right????

The phrase "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State," places absolutely no limitation on "the right of the People to keep and bear arms" and the phrase "shall not be infringed." says there are no limitations on what arms the people have the right to keep and bear.

Try reading this. Grammatical and Usage Analysis of the 2nd. Amendment - www.ezboard.com

Do I really have to resort to use of this with you?

 

[ylexot]

i at least am willing to accept that not everyone is in agreement as to what constitutes "infringement"

your opinion is valid, but mine is equally so.

Well, a smart person would begin with a dictionary...
Infringement - an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

Notice that it does not specify a big or large encroachment? The gov has already encroached. It has already infringed. It has already violated the Constitution. Of course, by Obama logic, that means, "it's not right, but they already did it, so we're going to do it even more."

 

[2ndAmendment]

i at least am willing to accept that not everyone is in agreement as to what constitutes "infringement"

your opinion is valid, but mine is equally so.

Are you a lawyer? You certainly think like one. The word infringed has a particular meaning and the meaning that is required to be used is the meaning that was in common use at the time of the writing. Anything else and the Constitution is meaningless.

Infringement is any limitation what so ever.

It is just like the broadening of the scope of the First Amendment. The First Amendment only places limits on the Congress; not the states and not individuals. There is no separation of church and state.

 

[itsbob]

i found them silly, thats about it. realisticly they did nothing. You could buy the same gun i have post ban and with a saw and a file make it out to be funtionally what they banned. I didn't see that as destroying our 2nd amendment rights. It was a silly inconvience. :shrug:

Wouldn't that make you a criminal.. just like if you bought a shotgun and sawed of the butt and shortened the barrel??

 

[2ndAmendment]

Do I really have to resort to use of this with you?

Well sometimes you do take positions that surprise me.

The link is a good reference for anyone that wants an English lesson on the Second.

 

[Larry Gude]

Well sometimes you do take positions that surprise me.

The link is a good reference for anyone that wants an English lesson on the Second.

OK, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't much finger printing going on 220 years ago.