OMG!! Blood in the gutters!!! 70mph!!!!!

glhs837

Power with Control
So, amongst the new laws taking effect today is one allowing the setting of some highway speed limits to 70 mph!!!!! Yahoo. Seems it doesnt really matter what sign you put up, people go that pesky ol 85th percentile speed anyway. Lets hear it for a win for common sense.
 

Merlin99

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PREMO Member
So, amongst the new laws taking effect today is one allowing the setting of some highway speed limits to 70 mph!!!!! Yahoo. Seems it doesnt really matter what sign you put up, people go that pesky ol 85th percentile speed anyway. Lets hear it for a win for common sense.

Michigan is working on getting theirs up to 80 mph.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Did my part. Which was training my kids, and achieving acceptance of the fact that we will all be strapped into Android GoogleAutoDrivePods or Icars long before anyone ever requires better training than they get today.
 

Vince

......
Wish they teach kids not to tailgate. No I don't mean at a football game. But with parents that tailgate, the kids will.
 

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
Wish they teach kids not to tailgate. No I don't mean at a football game. But with parents that tailgate, the kids will.

Quite the contrary with my daughter. She is very careful about space, speed and not tailgating.
 

Vince

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Quite the contrary with my daughter. She is very careful about space, speed and not tailgating.
I tried to teach my daughter not to tailgate, but she had to learn the hard way. Rear-ended someone. Of course it was my insurance that had to pay for it. :doh:
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Wish they teach kids not to tailgate. No I don't mean at a football game. But with parents that tailgate, the kids will.



I wish driver training included some wet skidpad work. Does a looooong way to helping understand how following distance works.
 
I wish driver training included some wet skidpad work. Does a looooong way to helping understand how following distance works.

I would wait for a snowfall, then see how far I could push the traction, then purposely go way beyond that just for fun. Got real good at 180* reverse-to-forward spins with a stick shift.

Once you understand the physics and how the vehicle reacts (or doesn't...... ) you become a much better driver.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Just this AM, waiting for someone to turn into Park Hall from 235, I was pondering the fact that a lot of folks would never actually turn the steering wheel to full lock anywhere but a parking lot, nor just slam the pedal to the floor, or go full hammer on the brakes. These people are the ones who, when it goes pear shaped, just ride that thing in.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I wish driver training included some wet skidpad work. Does a looooong way to helping understand how following distance works.

You know we spend $1 trillion a YEAR on car repairs from accidents? There are a LOT of people who have negative interst in better driving.
 

somdcroc

Member
I want to hear about on going driver training.

Larry, The Tire Rack Street Survival schools across the country are aimed at teenagers and the one that happens closest to us is at Summit Point Raceway in West Virginia (Summit Point is about 12 miles from Winchester Virginia). I don't see a school scheduled there for the remainder of this year but these are typically hosted by the local chapter of the BMW Club in the Spring and they also use SCCA and Porsche Club of America (PCA) instructors. They use the wet skid pad at the track for exercises as well as one of Summit Point's three race tracks.

For adults, the best way to learn how to drive safely is to register for High Performance Driver Education (HPDE) events. Locally HPDEs are at Summit Point and VIR and are hosted by a number of clubs (PCA, BMWCCA, SCCA, NASA, etc.) Most SCCA, PCA, and SCCA HPDEs at Summit Point have an element of the event on the wet skid pads. Although geared towards performance driving on race tracks, HPDEs provide the best instruction for all types of safe driving on our public roads. You learn quickly about situational awareness, predictability, understanding understeer, oversteer, threshold braking, proper apexing of turns, etc. The lessons you learn on a racetrack at high speed are very applicable to everyday driving on public streets, plus its an addictive hobby that does not necessarily lead to racing but would be nice seat time if you wanted to become a racer. These events only require a street legal car that can meet a simple technical inspection. Obviously some types of cars perform much better that others and you can expect tire and brake pad wear but I have seen just about everything driving in DEs from simple compact cars (even a Prius) to Porsche GT3 Cup cars, Ferrari 458 Italia Challenge cars, a Crawford/Ford Daytona Prototype, ex NASCAR race cars, and other purpose built race cars at the DEs I drive in. Don't worry though, students are instructed (from the passenger seat and in a classroom ) and the events are well regulated to ensure nobody is in over their head via a system of competency based run groups. The outcome of the HPDE program is a more confident and more aware driver.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Larry, The Tire Rack Street Survival schools across the country are aimed at teenagers and the one that happens closest to us is at Summit Point Raceway in West Virginia (Summit Point is about 12 miles from Winchester Virginia). I don't see a school scheduled there for the remainder of this year but these are typically hosted by the local chapter of the BMW Club in the Spring and they also use SCCA and Porsche Club of America (PCA) instructors. They use the wet skid pad at the track for exercises as well as one of Summit Point's three race tracks.

For adults, the best way to learn how to drive safely is to register for High Performance Driver Education (HPDE) events. Locally HPDEs are at Summit Point and VIR and are hosted by a number of clubs (PCA, BMWCCA, SCCA, NASA, etc.) Most SCCA, PCA, and SCCA HPDEs at Summit Point have an element of the event on the wet skid pads. Although geared towards performance driving on race tracks, HPDEs provide the best instruction for all types of safe driving on our public roads. You learn quickly about situational awareness, predictability, understanding understeer, oversteer, threshold braking, proper apexing of turns, etc. The lessons you learn on a racetrack at high speed are very applicable to everyday driving on public streets, plus its an addictive hobby that does not necessarily lead to racing but would be nice seat time if you wanted to become a racer. These events only require a street legal car that can meet a simple technical inspection. Obviously some types of cars perform much better that others and you can expect tire and brake pad wear but I have seen just about everything driving in DEs from simple compact cars (even a Prius) to Porsche GT3 Cup cars, Ferrari 458 Italia Challenge cars, a Crawford/Ford Daytona Prototype, ex NASCAR race cars, and other purpose built race cars at the DEs I drive in. Don't worry though, students are instructed (from the passenger seat and in a classroom ) and the events are well regulated to ensure nobody is in over their head via a system of competency based run groups. The outcome of the HPDE program is a more confident and more aware driver.

Yup. Know of them. What I meant to say was I'd be supportive of ongoing training/certification for folks to help reduce accidents. Hell, add it to the ACA! :lol:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Taught my daughter to swear, the student has surpassed the teacher.

Better you than some dumb ass stranger that has no ####ing clue how in the flying hell to properly use the language when dealing with #### heads, ass hats and #### tards out there.


:buddies:
 

glhs837

Power with Control
You know we spend $1 trillion a YEAR on car repairs from accidents? There are a LOT of people who have negative interst in better driving.

I don't think it's that so much as the average citizen, faced with a proposal to make the requirements tougher, along with the money and time cost, would storm the Bastille. What politician wants to face that backlash?

SOMDCroc, while these things are available, very few people are willing to take advantage of them. The amount who do are a tiny drop in the bucket of drivers.
 

Merlin99

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PREMO Member
Better you than some dumb ass stranger that has no ####ing clue how in the flying hell to properly use the language when dealing with #### heads, ass hats and #### tards out there.


:buddies:

####tard is her go to name for the majority of the other drivers on the beltway.
 
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