Once again: NO COLLUSION

[Yooper]

Here's a screenshot of today's Scott Adams' blogcast summary.

Go here if you want to listen (link): "Episode 499 Scott Adams: The Mueller Report and Mental Illness"

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[Hijinx]

Look at Mueller's background and who he worked with.
IMO He was in on it.

 

[TCROW]

Not feeling this one at all. At all.

If I'm sitting around at the bar obviously drunk and I tell friends I plan on driving home (which would be a crime if I did) and my friends stop me from doing so I've still committed a crime?

Exactly. If you think to yourself that you want to rob a bank, that's not a crime. Is "thought crime", not where we want to be, obviously.

If you work (aka conspire) with others .. the language is something like "taking positive steps toward trying to commit a crime" (not an exact quote, but you have to do a bit more than 'agree over beers') then that is in fact a crime.

W/R/T POTUS, all of this is discussed in detail in now open-source material much of which has been posted here.

 

[littlelady]

Exactly. If you think to yourself that you want to rob a bank, that's not a crime. Is "thought crime", not where we want to be, obviously.

If you work (aka conspire) with others .. the language is something like "taking positive steps toward trying to commit a crime" (not an exact quote, but you have to do a bit more than 'agree over beers') then that is in fact a crime.

W/R/T POTUS, all of this is discussed in detail in now open-source material much of which has been posted here.

Why do you hate America? Trump has become the culmination/scapegoat of all the crap that has been going on in our beloved Country for years. How do you feel about that? Also, do you understand why this is happening to Trump? He was a maverick against all odds. There is a reason, and a season for everything. Turn, turn, turn. For you.

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[littlelady]

Hey, Hankaroo! How are you? Are you going to continue to post laughing smilies when I post, or contribute something of substance? Just wondering. You were my first nemesis on the forum back in 2011. I’ve missed you. Are you ok? Take care.

 

[BOP]

All reading from the same script.

 

[littlelady]

All reading from the same script.

Mueller was the hero. Now, he has become an outie like a bellybutton that people try to conceal. I wonder how Mueller is feeling right now. He deserves every bash he gets. Our system of gov is hanging on by threads, but true Americans will try to weave those threads back together, again. Thanks for posting the video. It says it all. Love you, sha-BOP.

 

[BOP]

Mueller was the hero. Now, he has become an outie like a bellybutton that people try to conceal. I wonder how Mueller is feeling right now. He deserves every bash he gets. Our system of gov is hanging on by threads, but true Americans will try to weave those threads back together, again. Thanks for posting the video. It says it all. Love you, sha-BOP.

I want Mueller to pay back every red cent that was spent on this witch hunt "investigation" over the last 2 years. If he can't, throw him in prison until he can.

 

[Kyle]

Metaphor for democrats

 

[PsyOps]

It’s not a question of ‘would’, it is a question of ‘could’. Mueller clearly says he COULD NOT indict the potus because of the OLC opinion. It is not cowardly to follow the law and hand the issue to the appropriate authority. Mueller followed the law and then he recommended that congress take it up from there.

You keep saying there is no evidence trump obstructed. Do you base that on your reading of the report?

Do you think Barr’s assertion that the olc opinion did not play a part in muellers decision to not prosecute was accurate?

Again, you're missing my point. Mueller was required to provide findings of crimes, not actually indict. He could have found that Trump obstruct and recommended action against him without actually indicting him. He didn't do this. There is no law that prevents him from saying "I have found that President Trump obstructed justice".

I'm saying there is no evidence that he actually obstruction. The report does show he attempted to obstruct through McGahn, Sessions and others to either stop the investigation or narrow the scope of it, but actual obstruction never happened. I am completely open to whether attempted obstruction or conspiracy to obstruct is an actual crime. But that would have to play into 'intent'. Did Trump really know he was trying to obstruct, or did he believe he was trying to exercise his executive privilege. I am taking into consideration that Trump is not an insider politician and may be ignorant to a lot of the rules that govern these things.

At this point, no criminal action has been advised from Mueller or anyone else. So, we are left with the house and what they intend to do. I mentioned before that I don't know if attempted or conspiracy to commit obstruction is an impeachable offense. It's clear Mueller could not find criminality in it, so I don't know how congress finds anything Trump did as a high crime or misdemeanor.

 

[Monello]

Mueller colluded with Trump!

Mueller's Russian?

 

[Midnightrider]

Exactly. If you think to yourself that you want to rob a bank, that's not a crime. Is "thought crime", not where we want to be, obviously.

If you work (aka conspire) with others .. the language is something like "taking positive steps toward trying to commit a crime" (not an exact quote, but you have to do a bit more than 'agree over beers') then that is in fact a crime.

W/R/T POTUS, all of this is discussed in detail in now open-source material much of which has been posted here.

Except that we prosecute people all the time who try to get others to kill their spouses for them. In many cases they are turned into the police by the person they ask to commit a crime.

Again, you're missing my point. Mueller was required to provide findings of crimes, not actually indict. He could have found that Trump obstruct and recommended action against him without actually indicting him. He didn't do this. There is no law that prevents him from saying "I have found that President Trump obstructed justice".

I'm saying there is no evidence that he actually obstruction. The report does show he attempted to obstruct through McGahn, Sessions and others to either stop the investigation or narrow the scope of it, but actual obstruction never happened. I am completely open to whether attempted obstruction or conspiracy to obstruct is an actual crime. But that would have to play into 'intent'. Did Trump really know he was trying to obstruct, or did he believe he was trying to exercise his executive privilege. I am taking into consideration that Trump is not an insider politician and may be ignorant to a lot of the rules that govern these things.

At this point, no criminal action has been advised from Mueller or anyone else. So, we are left with the house and what they intend to do. I mentioned before that I don't know if attempted or conspiracy to commit obstruction is an impeachable offense. It's clear Mueller could not find criminality in it, so I don't know how congress finds anything Trump did as a high crime or misdemeanor.

You should read the report. Mueller clearLy explains that he could not discuss if trump ‘should be’ indicted because trump wouldn’t be able to get due process. He cited the DOJ guidance on that.

But here is the thing, mueller went through all 10 instances of obstruction and he listed the three elements for each. If you can count to three, you can figure out which ones he thinks constitute obstruction. There are several where mueller found all three elements.

The only reason mueller ‘could not find criminality’ is because he was barred from doing so by statute.

 

[GURPS]

 

[Hijinx]

How can you obstruct the investigation of a crime if there is no crime.

The whole Russian Hoax was a frame up from beginning to end.
The Deep State and the democrats and Hillary tried to frame the President of the United States.
Who can blame him for wanting to stop it, and then letting them go ahead and make fools of themselves, after being advised that was the wise thing to do.

Not satisfied with making fools of themselves the idiots are doubling down.

 

[Yooper]

Not satisfied with making fools of themselves the idiots are doubling down.

It is possible that the doubling down also serves the purpose of "best defense = good offense."

As I see it, the Dems/HRC crowd/etc. want to keep the heat on because any let-up provides time and space for an investigation of all things HRC (DNC, Clnton Foundation, on and on). And I'm guessing that's not something this gang would see as a positive development.

So I fully expect the hysteria and double-downing to ramp up; even if what's being ramped up is utterly asinine. Because asinine and out of jail always beats an ass (or two or more) in jail.

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[PsyOps]

Except that we prosecute people all the time who try to get others to kill their spouses for them. In many cases they are turned into the police by the person they ask to commit a crime.

You should read the report. Mueller clearLy explains that he could not discuss if trump ‘should be’ indicted because trump wouldn’t be able to get due process. He cited the DOJ guidance on that.

But here is the thing, mueller went through all 10 instances of obstruction and he listed the three elements for each. If you can count to three, you can figure out which ones he thinks constitute obstruction. There are several where mueller found all three elements.

The only reason mueller ‘could not find criminality’ is because he was barred from doing so by statute.

You should stop assuming I haven't read it. I haven't read all of it, but I'm working on it.

Conspiracy to commit murder is pretty easy to prove. Plans, written statements, verbal statements... I know someone personally who conspired to murder her husband. She hired someone to do the job and planned everything. She was caught and will serve prison time until she's dead.

The thing about a president trying to stop an investigation because he knows he's guilty and aims to use his authority to stop it is a different thing. You have to know his state of mind - his intent. All facts point to Trump knowing he was not guilty of this and knew it was a burden on his presidency. Mueller could not come to his own conclusion that Trump actually committed obstruction. He passed the ball to congress. This has nothing to do with indicting Trump. It has to do with Mueller coming to a firm finding that Trump was, with absolutely certainty, guilty of obstructin. He could have still written that in his report even without an actual indictment. He chose not to.

 

[Midnightrider]

You should stop assuming I haven't read it. I haven't read all of it, but I'm working on it.

Conspiracy to commit murder is pretty easy to prove. Plans, written statements, verbal statements... I know someone personally who conspired to murder her husband. She hired someone to do the job and planned everything. She was caught and will serve prison time until she's dead.

The thing about a president trying to stop an investigation because he knows he's guilty and aims to use his authority to stop it is a different thing. You have to know his state of mind - his intent. All facts point to Trump knowing he was not guilty of this and knew it was a burden on his presidency. Mueller could not come to his own conclusion that Trump actually committed obstruction. He passed the ball to congress. This has nothing to do with indicting Trump. It has to do with Mueller coming to a firm finding that Trump was, with absolutely certainty, guilty of obstructin. He could have still written that in his report even without an actual indictment. He chose not to.

If you read the report,all of it, you will see that muller says he could not come out and say was guilty of obstruction because DOJ policy is that they don’t comment on the guilt of parties in cases where they can not file an indictment. It’s right there in black and white.

So instead Mueller detailed the 10 instances that could meet the definition of obstruction. Then he provided an analysis of the evidence of each of those instances against the three necessary legal elements. Like I said, there were several that only met one or two of the elements. However, there were also several that mueller says met all three elemements. In other words, several cases that didn’t constitute obstruction and several that did.


BTW, I thought you said this wasn’t about intent

 

[This_person]

If you read the report,all of it, you will see that muller says he could not come out and say was guilty of obstruction because DOJ policy is that they don’t comment on the guilt of parties in cases where they can not file an indictment. It’s right there in black and white.

So instead Mueller detailed the 10 instances that could meet the definition of obstruction. Then he provided an analysis of the evidence of each of those instances against the three necessary legal elements. Like I said, there were several that only met one or two of the elements. However, there were also several that mueller says met all three elemements. In other words, several cases that didn’t constitute obstruction and several that did.


BTW, I thought you said this wasn’t about intent

It was repeatedly explained to the population that Trump could be prosecuted post-presidency for actual acts of crime, even if he was impeached for the crime(s).

What prosecution did the report recommend against the president, his family, or any member of the Trump campaign for campaign activities?

 

[GURPS]

What prosecution did the report recommend against the president, his family, or any member of the Trump campaign for campaign activities?

you must be arguing with midnight spanker

 

[This_person]

youb must be arguing withg midnight spanker

Nope, not arguing with anyone.

I keep seeing people like the ol' spanker and TCROW and Tranny and such posting thoughts on the report, so I keep asking this question. They keep ignoring the question, because reality does not fit in with their narrative.