One God

[2ndAmendment]

There is one God, Y'howah. There are not three gods.

But the concept of the trinity has certainly confused many people; I am no exception. As a note, the word trinity is found no where in the Bible.

This is what I know from the Bible. Jesus, Y'shua, is the union of the Holy Spirit and mankind.

Luke 1:30-35

30The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God.

31"And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.

32"He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David;

33and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and His kingdom will have no end."

34Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"

35The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

Of course Jesus is not really the Hebrew name of our Savior; it is Y'shua. Now who is Jesus? The Son of God or God the Father come as man? Isaiah prophesied that Jesus would be born and would be called the "Eternal Father" among other things.

Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

How does Jesus refer to Himself? He calls Himself the Son of Man 80 times in the Gospels. Here are a few from just Matthew: Matthew 8:20, Matthew 9:6, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 11:19, Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:32, Matthew 12:40, Matthew 13:37, Matthew 13:41, Matthew 16:13, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 17:9, Matthew 17:12, Matthew 17:22, Matthew 18:11, Matthew 19:28, Matthew 20:18, Matthew 20:28, Matthew 21:28. Jesus calls Himself the Son of Man in all four Gospels.

Mostly it was satan, scribes, Pharisees, mockers, unclean spirits, the adversaries of Jesus that called Him the Son of God. Matthew 4:3, Matthew 4:6, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 26:63, Matthew 27:40, Matthew 27:43, Matthew 27:54, and so forth. Jesus is called the Son of God by others including His disciples but only a very few times by Himself.

Jesus told His disciples that He and the Father are one. That they had seen the Father when they saw Him.

John 14:7-15

7"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him."

8Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."

9Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

10"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

11"Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.

12"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father.

13"Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14"If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.

15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

This was after He had been crucified and resurrected. Prior to that, He referred to the Father separately from Himself. John 5:37, John 6:46, John 8:38.

Then there is the Holy Spirit. God? Separate from God? I say God, because blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable sin.

Matthew 12:31
" Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.

But then again, the Holy Spirit is referred to as a separate entity by Jesus.

Matthew 28:19
" Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Luke 11:13
" If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"

John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

So when I post that God came as man, I am posting what I find in the Bible. When I post the Son of Man, I am referring to Jesus as He referred to Himself.

God is Spirit.

John 4:24
"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

We humans try to couch everything in our limited understanding. We don't understand the world around us; How do we presume to understand God? I am not a theologian (studier of God); I am a theophilus (lover of God). I do not know anything about God that is not revealed in His word.

I think just as we have different attributes or manifestations, physical, mental, spiritual, God reveals Himself to us in different ways at different times but He is still one God. He came to us as man as our Savior, He is our Father, and He comes to us as the Holy Spirit. Throughout the Bible, it is written that the Spirit of God came upon someone.

If you have a different understanding, so be it. But don't make it up as you go. Use the Bible. Find God's wisdom.

 

[itsbob]

From which bible??

The trinity is a true trinity..

Three seperate entities..

 

[Railroad]

Just a quick one- gotta go- I believe and worship what people call the tri-une God: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are components of the one God.

 

[rainesrw]

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:5)

In John 17 Jesus Christ prayed to the Father shortly before His arrest in the Garden of Gethsemane and subsequent crucifixion. He began His prayer by asking, "Father, the hour is come; glorify, thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee" (John 17: 1). In verse 5 He repeated His request for glorification and specified that He desired the glory that He had with the Father before the creation of the world.

This prayer raises a number of interesting questions.

Is Jesus an inferior divinity who needs to receive glory from some other deity?
Did Jesus exist as a glorified man before Creation?
Are Jesus and the Father two distinct persons?

To understand this passage, we must recognize that Jesus prayed as a man. The prayers of Christ stem from His humanity, and any time we seek to interpret those prayers we must keep His humanity foremost in our minds.

Some would say that Jesus was speaking as a second divine person here, but if that were so, Jesus would not be coequal with the Father, as they maintain, but inferior. Jesus would be a divine person who was lacking in glory, who needed the Father to give Him glory, and who asked the Father for help. Jesus would not be omnipotent (all powerful), but lesser in glory and power than the Father. In short, Jesus would not possess some of the essential characteristics of deity. Contrary to the rest of Scripture, He would not truly be God.

If we acknowledge that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh as the Bible teaches (Colossians 2:9; I Timothy 3: 16), then we must affirm that as God He always had divine glory, never lost it, and never needed anyone else to give it to Him.


Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

James 2:19