One of Jesus' stranger sayings

[onel0126]

http://blog.adw.org/2013/11/a-word-of-encouragment-in-one-of-jesus-stranger-sayings/

 

[b23hqb]

Interesting verse, indeed. Jesus simply tells Herod's (Herod Antipas) probable spies to go back to Jerusalem, and tell that cunning deceit of a man (Herod) themselves that He was going to accomplish His mission in Jerusalem. Jesus, in the full will of the Father, was not going to alter His path to cross.

Herod and his Pharisee lackeys would have loved nothing more than to have Jesus just leave town so they would not have to go through what was about to happen. I believe they did not know exactly what was to happen, but they obviously were uncomfortable, probably both religiously and politically, with what they knew by instinct would be a bad scene for their reputations.

 

[Zguy28]

I think it is speculative to say that the "three days" in that verse refer to the time in the grave. The Scripture simply doesn't tell us. It might be prophetic, it might not.

This is especially backed up with v. 33.

Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.'

More likely its just Jesus telling Herod via the messengers to not worry, he'll be gone soon enough from his area and that he sees through the guise.

 

[b23hqb]

I think it is speculative to say that the "three days" in that verse refer to the time in the grave. The Scripture simply doesn't tell us. It might be prophetic, it might not.

This is especially backed up with v. 33.

Nevertheless, I must go on my way today and tomorrow and the day following, for it cannot be that a prophet should perish away from Jerusalem.'

More likely its just Jesus telling Herod via the messengers to not worry, he'll be gone soon enough from his area and that he sees through the guise.

Good take, but a question? Who "sees" through what guise? God or man?

Gone soon enough by death? Curious on your thoughts on that. I personally believe that Herod, his sugar daddys in Rome that gained him his position, and the Pharisees and Sadducees, would have preferred Jesus just left for somewhere else.

Not to be, Thank God.

The fox is without doubt Herod - a sly, cunning and deceptive character to get his way and position. Like all Roman positions, really.

The three days is very up for grabs, especially in the light of three days by Jewish reckoning, or literally three days (72 hours).

Either way, I believe that discussion is not an eternal matter, but something for Christians to discuss.

 

[Zguy28]

Good take, but a question? Who "sees" through what guise? God or man?

Jesus sees through the guise of the Pharisees. He knows Herod put them up to it.

Gone soon enough by death? Curious on your thoughts on that. I personally believe that Herod, his sugar daddys in Rome that gained him his position, and the Pharisees and Sadducees, would have preferred Jesus just left for somewhere else.

I think Herod just wants him gone away somewhere and is trying to scare him. He doesn't want to really kill him or he would have. He didn't want to kill John the Baptist because he does in some way fear God, but at the same time, doesn't want to give up his immorality with Herodius either.

Not to be, Thank God.

The fox is without doubt Herod - a sly, cunning and deceptive character to get his way and position. Like all Roman positions, really.

I would characterize the Romans more like wolves, not foxes. Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, Domitian... their actions speak for themselves.

 

[b23hqb]

Ok. Agree to an extent. The local Roman governors are/were going to do what was the most politically expedient task required to retain their power. And their pitiful lives.

The Romans could be wolves for a sure thing, but in this instance, Herod was just trying to keep his filthy hands clean of the mess he was about to create. Jesus was never a sure thing for the Romans, and He scared them to death. Fear in what He was saying was true, and fear of the potential political uprising that was already fermenting, i.e., Barabbas.

Jesus knew, and set his face forward to the flint of the cross.

Herod was the deceiving fox, as Jesus said, in the attempt to save Herod's own skin.