seekeroftruth
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Revelation 8:6 Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
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Here's a link to the commentary I read. It's all posted here for your convenience.
Hail and fire followed, mingled with blood: Blood may indicate the color or the result of the phenomenon described here. We don’t know if the hail and fire was red in color or if it brought forth red blood, but one way or another this should be understood straightforwardly, without escaping into a creative symbolism.
“Many eminent men suppose that the irruption of the barbarous nations of the Roman empire is here intended. It is easy to find coincidences when fancy runs riot.” (Clarke)
“The truth is, if earth, trees, and grass do not mean earth, trees, and grass, no man can tell what they mean. Letting go the literal signification of the record, we launch out upon an endless sea of sheer conjecture.” (Seiss)
A third of the trees were burned up, and all green grass was burned up: Because of this hail and fire, trees and grass are destroyed — one-third of the vegetation of the planet is burned up during the great tribulation.
How will this happen? Many wonder if it will happen through phenomenon we know today, like nuclear war, fallout, pollution, meteors, and so forth. These ideas are interesting and possible, but they should never obscure the essential truth: God brings judgment. He isn’t a passive bystander. This is not “nature” taking its course.
God may use whatever method He desires to bring judgment, but people on earth know these events are from God, and do not think them to be merely natural disasters (Revelation 16:9, and 16:11, Revelation 19:19).
Something like a great mountain: John carefully said that this is not an actual mountain (note the use of like), but it was a blazing mass as large as a mountain.
A third of the sea became blood: This disaster is a cataclysm, perhaps a meteor that crashes into the sea and results in great oceanic upheaval with residual pollution. Researchers today say that this sort of phenomenon has happened before in the history of the earth, sometimes resulting in great ecological upheaval and disaster. Here, the result is that a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. The blood may be either the cause or the effect of the widespread death in the oceans of the world.
The sea may be a specific reference to the Mediterranean and not a reference to all oceans. In the world of the Apostle John, the Mediterranean Sea was the sea and they really had little knowledge of other oceans.
Like a great mountain: It is common to take this great mountain as a symbol for a nation that will be judged. It is true that mountains are sometimes used as figures of governments or nations (Jeremiah 51:25, 51:27, 51:30). But in this context, the symbol doesn’t make sense. What does it mean that the great mountain is burning with fire? What does it mean that it was thrown into the sea? What does the sea symbolize? Who are the living creatures in the sea? What are the ships on the sea? What is their destruction a symbol of? All these questions make us say that the best solution is to see this as some literal mass of land with probably something like a meteor or asteroid falling into the sea and bringing ecological disaster.
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John thought the earth was flat. John thought if you went out on the sea far enough, you would fall off the earth or a monster would eat you and your boat for lunch.
John wrote what he saw in the Vision. He could only use the words he knew. It's been about 2000 years since he wrote this. How would he know about meteors or comets? John thought the Sun revolved around Earth. John thought the humans on earth were at the center of the Universe.
When I read these verses, I immediately think of meteor showers hitting earth. First on land and then on sea.
As I have reported, there is a lot of discussion online about volcanic and quaking happening along the "Ring of Fire". I've also mentioned the earthquake in Iowa or Ohio [I forget which was going off that morning]. Now, I can report there was another quake in Indiana! There are no fault lines like the San Andreas in Indiana!! I've also read that the earth is splitting in India and it's spreading apart at a surprising rate. A new continent is rising, according to some reports.
I have mentioned the caldera in Yellowstone as well as the brand-new steam vent [like Old Faithful, but not so stuck to an eruption schedule]. There is a cap on the caldera. If the pressure builds enough due to the magma pooling under that cap it will blow that cap sky high and send that massive stone cap flying back to ground. I would say John could have said "like a pressure cooker" but they didn't even have pressure cookers when John had his Vision. How would John describe that?
John doesn't have a Hubble Telescope. He wouldn't know that God was showing him a natural disaster of catastrophic size!
When a meteor comes through the earth's atmosphere.... it's going to catch fire. It's going to turn blood red with fire. There will be chemical reactions when the space junk hits the chemicals that make up our earth junk. When they collide, IMHO, it will appear to be liquid blood.
God uses nature. He created every molecule in nature and He knows how they work together. God wouldn't bring on a scientist to make a bomb. Why would God depend on a human to get it right... I mean we don't have an exceptional track record for following God's instructions.
God uses nature. John isn't writing about a Roman Conquest... IMHO... John's describing God softening the battlefield.
I've heard, never seen, but heard, that before a huge battle, the aggressor will bomb the area. This sends the opposition troops [that survive] running. It will soften the battlefield by causing extreme fear.
Carpet bombing.... meteorite shrapnel.... softening the battlefield... That's what I think John has described. The first trumpet called up the meteor shower that skitters across the land. The second trumpet called up the mountainous sized space junk to skitter through the atmosphere and into the sea.
John described massive devastation, unparalleled destruction.
God, has run out of patience with the stupid stubborn humans.
Any stupid stubborn humans that won't give up and hit their knees and get right with God by the time the first trumpet sounded, is way too stupid for their own good... and they need to go anyway. Let's face it... how stupid and stubborn do you have to be to hide in a cave during an earthquake of unpresented power? They are too stubborn for their own good. The have a demonic craving to prove God doesn't exist. Foolish stupid stubborn humans! They are muddy with demonic poop.
One of these days.... a trumpet will sound.... and then another....
One on land and one on sea.... No "if" about it!
