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[libby]

I got a couple of threads confused
Anyway, let's try this for starters

There is a teaching within the Roman Catholic structure called the temporal power. Temporal power means that the pope should control every person on the face of this globe, their property and their religion.

This is a Jack Chick quote, would you like to defend this? Is this an honest statement?

 

[ocean733]

I got a couple of threads confused
Anyway, let's try this for starters


This is a Jack Chick quote, would you like to defend this? Is this an honest statement?

I went to Roman Catholic school Kindergarten-High School. Never heard of it.

 

[morningbell]

I got a couple of threads confused
Anyway, let's try this for starters

There is a teaching within the Roman Catholic structure called the temporal power. Temporal power means that the pope should control every person on the face of this globe, their property and their religion.

This is a Jack Chick quote, would you like to defend this? Is this an honest statement?

I remember this being taught in history class by Sister Mary Georgina while in catholic school. There is no way this would be the case today, it ended in 1929 and it has nothing to do with controlling every person on this globe, just Roman Catholics. I may be still alive in the hearts of the government of the Vatican City but nowhere else in Italy or the world.

 

[Bavarian]

I got a couple of threads confused
Anyway, let's try this for starters


This is a Jack Chick quote, would you like to defend this? Is this an honest statement?

The idea that the Pope should not control the World is the grave sin of Americanism. The truth is that the Church is to be in charge, no separation of Church and state. This idea of separation is caused by the diabolical Freemasons whose goal is to replace all religions and governments with a one world religion and state. Look at the Seal of the U.S. Novus Ordo Seculorem. New World Order.
We must pray for the return of the Holy Roman Emperor.

 

[Xaquin44]

I hope you're being sarcastic.

 

[Xaquin44]

Its honest, in that it was something that used to be practiced, but was abolished (for all intents and purposed) in the 19th century by both Napolean and at the end of the 19th when the Italian Army entered Rome.

It formally ended with the treaty between the Vatican State and Italy (1920ish)

well it's hardly the truth anymore, so it's a lie ....

 

[MMDad]

This is a Jack Chick quote,

There's your problem. If you want hatred, half truths, and bigotry Jack Chick is the author for you.

Here's a hint: if it's in cartoon form, it probably isn't a reputable source.

 

[Bavarian]

So you agree with Chick's quote

No, this heretic Chick is making it seem that the Church was founded by a devil, not God.
I am not sarastic, just stating the Truth not was well known before the disaster known as Vatican II. The only hope for the World is for the Holy Father to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary as was requested by Our Blessed Mother at Fatima. A imilar request was made to the French King, who hesitated, and by the time he did it was too late and the Freemason's took over France and institued the Reign of Terror.

 

[SShewbert]

The idea that the Pope should not control the World is the grave sin of Americanism. The truth is that the Church is to be in charge, no separation of Church and state. This idea of separation is caused by the diabolical Freemasons whose goal is to replace all religions and governments with a one world religion and state. Look at the Seal of the U.S. Novus Ordo Seculorem. New World Order.
We must pray for the return of the Holy Roman Emperor.

I am a Christian, with that being said, you say that the idea of separation is held by those who want to replace all religions and governments with a one world religion and state. Well if the Pope controlled all of the earth, the people and everything, then would not the Catholics being making a One World Religion and State? Only it would be run by Catholics and I assume you are a catholic and therefore think that is fine.

 

[itsbob]

this heretic Chick

You seem to have proven Chick's point.. heresy, punishable by death..

 

[MMDad]

Well if the Pope controlled all of the earth, the people and everything, then would not the Catholics being making a One World Religion and State? Only it would be run by Catholics and I assume you are a catholic and therefore think that is fine.

Do you know what the difference between a missionary and a fanatic? A missionary tries to convert the world to my religion. A fanatic tries to convert the world to his religion.

 

[libby]

Its honest, in that it was something that used to be practiced, but was abolished (for all intents and purposed) in the 19th century by both Napolean and at the end of the 19th when the Italian Army entered Rome.

It formally ended with the treaty between the Vatican State and Italy (1920ish)

I am interested in itsBob (and Jack Chick) citing the source in which the Catholic Church states that it should "control" all properties belonging to individuals.
As a Catholic I would like to see all of the world Catholic (actually practicing). Perhaps Jack Chick took what a pope considered an ideal (that all people would be of one mind, one heart and one faith) and extrapolated that into "control".
The pope does not control Catholics any more than the Bible controls Christians. We are told to strive for holiness, and the Church tells us how to get there.
As the world learned during the Clinton administration, words mean things. Control does not mean the same as giving us the goals toward which we should go.

 

[libby]

The idea that the Pope should not control the World is the grave sin of Americanism. The truth is that the Church is to be in charge, no separation of Church and state. This idea of separation is caused by the diabolical Freemasons whose goal is to replace all religions and governments with a one world religion and state. Look at the Seal of the U.S. Novus Ordo Seculorem. New World Order.
We must pray for the return of the Holy Roman Emperor.

Bavarian,
This would take away our free will, would it not? God does not force us to Him, and neither does the Holy Father force one to church. Now that teaching would be heretical!

 

[Bavarian]

Bavarian,
This would take away our free will, would it not? God does not force us to Him, and neither does the Holy Father force one to church. Now that teaching would be heretical!

Christ said to spread the Word to all the World and that there would be One Flock and One Shepard. Read the encylicals of the pre-VII popes when they condemmed Modernism, Americanism.

 

[libby]

Christ said to spread the Word to all the World and that there would be One Flock and One Shepard. Read the encylicals of the pre-VII popes when they condemmed Modernism, Americanism.

You're missing the point, it's control vs. love! It's a joy to be Catholic and it is my belief that if anyone stops to really learn what the Church teaches and why, they cannot help but to, at least, understand, and at best, embrace, the Catholic Faith.
You seem to support force.