Oregon LEOs Cleared Of Wrong-Doing In Shooting

Yooper

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So what do we think?

Take a look at the story (both clips snipped below and the full story (linked)).

What are we to make of it? We have a "person of color" who seems to be a bit gender-confused who was in a dispute with the ex-wife over the kids, who had been investigated by the FBI for possible "red flag" reasons, who commented in several on-line places "death to pigs," who served in the military, was legally licensed to conceal carry a handgun, took the loaded handgun into a school (apparently legal, though not sure the loaded part is), then drew and discharged the handgun after LEO escorted (forcibly) this individual from the school at the LEO and with one of the person's children in close proximity to the event.

Interested in all opinions/thoughts (but to be honest there are certain opinions I'm looking forward to reading more than others...).




Body Camera Video Shows Fatal Oregon Police Shooting at School




EUGENE, Oregon -- Lane County District Attorney Patty Perlow cleared Thursday the two Eugene police officers
involved in the Jan. 11 fatal shooting of Charles Landeros in front of Cascade Middle School, saying there's "no clearer
circumstance that the use of deadly force is justified than this."

....

Perlow concluded that both officers acted appropriately in removing Landeros from the school and they had probable
cause to arrest Landeros for disorderly conduct and trespass.

"Upon making the arrest, their lives, and the lives of others, were placed in danger by Mr. Landeros physically resisting
that arrest, brandishing a firearm and firing it twice," Perlow said. "It is unknown why Charles Landeros chose to use deadly
force in this circumstance, but he clearly had no regard for the lives of the police officers or the students or staff present,
including his child."

She added: "Officer Timm saved the life of Officer Johns, himself and perhaps many others given the number of rounds
Charles Landeros had loaded in his weapon. There is no clearer circumstance that the use of deadly force is justified than this."

....

"We know that issues involving a person's child are already tense and delicate situations with the potential to escalate.
We also know that people of color are disproportionately the victims of police violence. We know that Charlie, as an activist
against police brutality and a descendant of Mexican and Filipino parents, was aware of this," the statement said. "We do
not know, however, what was going through Charlie's mind when they were shoved out of the door in front of their child
and pinned to the wall. We also do not know why Officer Timm felt the need to aggressively shove Charlie through the door
and against the wall as Charlie appears to exit the school."

....

Landeros, who identified by the non-gender-specific pronouns they/their/them, was divorced and shared joint custody of their
two daughters with Landeros' ex-wife. Landeros enrolled one of the daughters in the school several days before the incident
without informing the ex-wife, Perlow said.

....

Landeros obtained a concealed handgun license in February 2018. It is not illegal for someone with a concealed handgun
license to carry a concealed weapon into a school.

Landeros started a group, Community Armed Self-Defense, that provided firearms training, particularly for people of color
and the LGBTQ community. Landeros was one of the instructors.

....

Last year, the FBI received information on a tip line that Landeros was posting violent anti-government messages on social media,
Perlow said. The tip was referred to the local FBI office, which concluded there wasn't enough information to show a crime had
been committed, she said.

On Jan. 11, the Springfield Police Department linked on its Facebook page a story about a police officer in California who was shot
and killed while investigating a traffic crash.

About an hour before the shooting, Perlow said, someone tipped the police department that a Facebook account with the name
"Charlie Landeros" had commented "Death to all pigs" in a comment section of the post. The police department's social media
manager attempted to locate the comment but both it and the "Charlie Landeros" Facebook account had been deactivated or deleted.

Two days earlier, SPD was alerted that a Facebook account with the name "Charlie Landeros" left a similar comment on a different
story involving Portland police, Perlow said.




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vraiblonde

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Just watching the video, not reading any commentary at all, or even the OP above, here's what happened:

Kid was getting rousted for whatever reason.
Starts mouthing off to the cop.
Cop tells him he's under arrest.
Kid resists and tries to run.
Cop grabs him and tries to wrestle him.
Kid pulls a gun, it's clearly in his hand.
Cops shoots him.
Suicide by cop, case closed.

Now I'll read what I'm supposed to think.
 

vraiblonde

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And now that I've read everything, I am not surprised that his Mommy wants to get paid. Mommies of people like this tend to go that way.
 

glhs837

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Did I read it wrong? I thought the woman pushing was the dead guys ex-wife, not his mother. She can babble about POC this and that, but anyone who thinks that pulling your pistol and shooting at police will make ANYTHING better isnt thinking right. He was ordered to leave the school where he had no legal right to be. He refused and fought being removed.
 

Hijinx

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Did I read it wrong? I thought the woman pushing was the dead guys ex-wife, not his mother. She can babble about POC this and that, but anyone who thinks that pulling your pistol and shooting at police will make ANYTHING better isnt thinking right. He was ordered to leave the school where he had no legal right to be. He refused and fought being removed.
Guy looked white to me, but if a police officer is wrestling a guy who has a gun out and that officer is fighting to keep that gun away from him and a fellow officer shoots the guy , and I were the cop wrestling the man with the gun i would thank my fellow officer very much.

Looks like a legit shooting to me.
 

glhs837

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Guy looked white to me, but if a police officer is wrestling a guy who has a gun out and that officer is fighting to keep that gun away from him and a fellow officer shoots the guy , and I were the cop wrestling the man with the gun i would thank my fellow officer very much.

Looks like a legit shooting to me.
Evidently some Hispanic mix. I couldnt tell until I read that article.
 

vraiblonde

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Seems like a good shoot to me. Pull a gun, expect to get shot.
How dare you?? How are we supposed to argue about this all damn day if you agree???

:mad:

But, yeah, when you're acting wild in a school and then clearly pull out a gun, there's not a lot to discuss. His family suing the city/cops/whoever they can get their hands on just shows that they're a low rent bunch who probably need a lead injection themselves.
 

glhs837

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How dare you?? How are we supposed to argue about this all damn day if you agree???

:mad:

But, yeah, when you're acting wild in a school and then clearly pull out a gun, there's not a lot to discuss. His family suing the city/cops/whoever they can get their hands on just shows that they're a low rent bunch who probably need a lead injection themselves.


See, I dont see the profit motive as the key here. I see this very much as a dark side Portlandia episode. They truly do believe that this "guy" was reasonable in his actions. We can argue about that :)
 

Yooper

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My goal in posting this was to get a sense of what people were seeing. I was especially interested in Transporter's, Sapidus's, Salmon's, Midnightrider's, etc. perspective as here we had a school-related shooting and their usual response seems to be the knee-jerk, "guns bad, you morons." But I suspected - due to the complexities of the event (left-leaning "person of color," who was either gender-confused or gender fluid-supporting, seemed anti-police & antifa-like, had been looked at by the FBI for "red flag" reasons, but served in the military, was a legal concealed carry & firearms instructor) that we would get <crickets>. And so far it seems we have. I guess these folks found the intersectionality & mixture of left-supporting/right-supporting topics aspects to difficult a maze to negotiate.

My point is that our left-leaning friends here on the forum traffic in presenting stories as one dimensional outrages. The problem is that stories like this show that life is rarely ever so simple.

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