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virgovictoria

virgovictoria

Tight Pants and Lipstick
PREMO Member
Why can't we all just get along? :ohwell:

The biggest problem I have with this "new declaration" is that the baptisms will probably alter the course of most peoples' dedication to their beliefs.

What I mean to say is, folks married by a woman may be fine with the ruling. Folks who have had their infant baptised will probably feel as though their child would not granted eternal life, should something happen, if they don't reconduct the service. Kind of cultish mentality. But, it is what it is. :shrug:
 
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libby

New Member
virgovictoria said:
Why can't we all just get along? :ohwell:

The biggest problem I have with this "new declaration" is that the baptisms will probably alter the course of most peoples' dedication to their beliefs.

What I mean to say is, folks married by a woman may be fine with the ruling. Folks who have had their infant baptised will probably feel as though their child would not granted eternal life, should something happen, if they don't reconduct the service. Kind of cultish mentality. But, it is what it is. :shrug:
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If someone baptized their child, unaware of the deviation from the traditional form, the Church's teaching is that we could be certain of God's goodness and that the child would enjoy eternal life.
A "Catholic" recites in the creed at every Mass, "We believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church." Those opposed to the Church's position should find a church where they do not have to pledge their belief and trust in the Church. If one wants to call themselves Catholic then they must submit to the teachings of the Church. If they don't want to submit, there are many other places to go.
Intention goes a long, long way, and God is well aware of what is in every person's heart.
 
ImnoMensa

ImnoMensa

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You are correct. If you want to stay in the Catholic Church the opinion of the Pope is more than an opinion ,its the rule. Its law.

If you feel you cant abide that, then again you are correct, there are plenty of other places that you can express a belief.

You cannot attack all Christians because of a dictum of the Pope,after all he doesnt represent all Christians, just those of the Catholic persuasion.

However if you wish to say "The Lord's Prayer" as it has been passed down thru the centuries,it might seem a little weird saying Our creator. Might as well say The Force be with you. Its all in what you want to believe I guess. Think I will stick with the Pope.
 
lulu

lulu

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"one holy Catholic and apostolic.."

it doesn't mean "Catholic" as in the "catholic church." The word catholic means universal. One universal church. It's a novel concept, don't you think?
 
godsbutterfly

godsbutterfly

Free to Fly
lulu said:
it doesn't mean "Catholic" as in the "catholic church." The word catholic means universal. One universal church. It's a novel concept, don't you think?
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This is exactly the meaning the word "Catholic" has in the Apostles Creed so maybe not such a novel concept. I believe the Lord's Prayer should retain the wording it has always had. Jesus knew to whom He prayed it and how He used it as an example of how to pray. He never said and if you want to change it around to suit your purposes you have my permission. We take too many liberties upon ourselves far too often.
 
2ndAmendment

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
I believe the Bible to be the final authority when it comes to these things. This seems very clear.

1 Timothy 2:11-15

11A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.

12But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

13For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.

14And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

15But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.
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1 Timothy 3:2-7

2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

3not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money.

4He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity

5(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?),

6and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation incurred by the devil.

7And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
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An overseer of the church is the pastor or minister.

How can a minister be the husband of one wife, not be a homosexual, and be a woman? Can't. First Timothy 3:2 precludes me from being a minister or pastor too, since I am divorced and therefore not the husband of one wife.
 
tommyjones

tommyjones

New Member
2ndAmendment said:
I believe the Bible to be the final authority when it comes to these things. This seems very clear.


An overseer of the church is the pastor or minister.

How can a minister be the husband of one wife, not be a homosexual, and be a woman? Can't. First Timothy 3:2 precludes me from being a minister or pastor too, since I am divorced and therefore not the husband of one wife.
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no real wonder there.....
 
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vegmom

Bookseller Lady
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It's certainly his right to his opinion. Unfortunately, many will use it as a means to attack all Christians every where at every time as misogynistic, racist, stupid, backward thinking..... But, they will anyway, this just gives them a current reason.
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Plenty of denominations ordain women. :shrug:
 
This_person

This_person

Well-Known Member
vegmom said:
Plenty of denominations ordain women. :shrug:
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I agree, and I have no problems with men or women leading others in prayer, teaching the Word, etc., etc. But, when the Pope declares something that is not the social "progressive" norm for some, they have a tendancy to attack all for the words of one, or of one line of teaching. Think of how many times you've read in here not to trust any Christian because Christians fight amongst themselves over what to believe? And how many times we've been belittled for following a magical, mystical, cosmic zombie :)lol:), fairy tale, myth, impossible, etc., etc., etc., thought process or entity? From experience, I just expected attacks on Christians for this declaration. Perhaps being called out before they could pounce slowed them down a little (outside the "cultish" comment).
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

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2ndAmendment said:
I believe the Bible to be the final authority when it comes to these things. This seems very clear.


An overseer of the church is the pastor or minister.

How can a minister be the husband of one wife, not be a homosexual, and be a woman? Can't. First Timothy 3:2 precludes me from being a minister or pastor too, since I am divorced and therefore not the husband of one wife.
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ahahaha no wonder you're divorced lol

"keep quiet woman"

also, who cares who was made first? They were both made by the same hand using the same parts .... are you saying god screwed women up?

also, who cares if eve gave adam the fruit? He still ate it. He could have said 'no thanks'. He is just as responsible.

bunch of mularkey or however you spell it.
 
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