Pence walks out on NFL. PR stunt costs taxpayers $250,000

[Sapidus]

Again I'm not defending it, I'm merely pointing out that your talking point is incorrect, yet you continue to use it. You flail around claiming the money upset you more than Pence walking out but you continue to come back to some inane notion of "paid protester". I'm assuming that's the new talking point, whatever it means.

YES or NO: Had stayed for the game, would you even care the additional cost?
Your hanging on to cost but only if you attach the "protest". You're such a hypocrite.

He spent $250,000 of taxpayer money for a PR stunt at the direction of his boss while he was on the clock and being paid.

That is the definition of a paid protestor.

Government officials should be and at one point where above participating in stupid stunts like this.

Him And the president should be focused on
The rise of white nationalism
The fires on the west coast
The hurricane damage in Texas and Florida and Puerto Rico
Deescalating tensions with N Korea.
And whatvstarted this whole thing excessive force by a few of our nations police.
That is what real leaders would be doing.

 

[Sapidus]

Nope.

Because the data says otherwise. It's hype. It's people going around with their hands up and saying don't shoot, because they want to believe a false narrative.
Because there is now a distinct trend of cops being killed by extremists. Because despite anecdotal information, the data clearly shows what they're saying is hugely exaggerated.

People who are celebrities are insulting veterans - men who never did anything to them except die for their freedom - to gain attention - and then they go home and do absolutely nothing more.
It's a gesture - nothing more - and a vulgar one at that.

First of all the flag is not a soldier. The flag represents many things but immediately jumping to it representing soldiers is because you know that will get the the most outraged reaction from the uneducated.

If we go by statistics Then why are you so offended by the players kneeling?

The data doesn’t align with your beliefs there There are over 1600 NFL players. How many are kneeling?

How come you can’t just ignore them like you do the death of people at the hands of police?

1 death by excessive force is too much. Will you admit that there has been at least one instance of excessive use of force and lack of consequences for the police or their superiors?

 

[PsyOps]

First of all the flag is not a soldier. The flag represents many things but immediately jumping to it representing soldiers is because you know that will get the the most outraged reaction from the uneducated.

If we go by statistics Then why are you so offended by the players kneeling?

The data doesn’t align with your beliefs there There are over 1600 NFL players. How many are kneeling?

How come you can’t just ignore them like you do the death of people at the hands of police?

1 death by excessive force is too much. Will you admit that there has been at least one instance of excessive use of force and lack of consequences for the police or their superiors?

Oh good Lord! No one is ignoring the death of people at the hands of police.

When there is far more good done by police than bad, you and your ilk choose to focus only on the bad. There is bad in every thing... there are bad cops, bad military members, bad members of congress, bad governors, etc... It's a pretty miserable life when people like our very wealthy football players can only focus on the bad in this country. When they have been afforded so much for having a skill that really provides NOTHING substantive to this country, and they choose to tunnel in on the bad. Here I am, a modest middle-class guy who is thankful for what this country has given me, and these guys, in their very selfish myopia, can only dig up what they aren't thankful for. This country SUCKS because of people like you that can't see the overall good and want to drag the rest of us down that sad slope. Well, I'm not going there. I'm going to continue to be happy with my very blessed life and watch you miserable people stay unhappy about everything.

 

[This_person]

He spent $250,000 of taxpayer money for a PR stunt at the direction of his boss while he was on the clock and being paid.

So, $250,000 is based on an assumption of worst-case costs for the plane by a Toronto reporter. This assumption does not take into account that the VP was pretty likely to travel either way, and therefore is a bad assumption.

The "PR stunt" is an opinion, not supportable by facts.

The "at the direction of his boss" is an assumption based on Trump's tweet that came AFTER the VP left. Mind you, if this was any other situation, no one would believe that Trump was involved beforehand and was merely taking credit for something he had no involvement in. Hypocrite, much?

With respect to "on the clock and being paid", the VP is a salaried employee and is technically on the clock 24/7/365.25. It is a meaningless phrase for a person of his status.

Therefore, virtually every phrase is the sentence is inaccurate, and assumption, an opinion, or meaningless. Good job, Sap!

Him And the president should be focused on
The rise of white nationalism

What "rise" is this? Source (note: anecdotes are not a "source")

The fires on the west coast

What about the fires elsewhere? Should he, as the federal government's chief executive, be involved in the fires in Montana? How about the Burger King fire in Charlottesville? Where do we draw the line on what is federal government's responsibility vs. state responsibility, in your view?

The hurricane damage in Texas and Florida and Puerto Rico

What's not being done?

Deescalating tensions with N Korea.

The last president who worked on deescalation with North Korea did so by giving him nuclear power plants, thus creating North Korea as a nuclear weapons capable nation. Thanks, Slick Willie!! Perhaps deescalation is not the right policy.

And whatvstarted this whole thing excessive force by a few of our nations police.

Is that the job of the federal government? If so, what in the Constitution gives the federal government control over local police forces?

And, is there a problem with excessive force? Can you show me trends over time from a peer-reviewed academic study that shows what you see as a problem actually exists?

That is what real leaders would be doing.

I know you found President Obama to be a "real leader". I also know that virtually any anecdote you've offered happened during or before President Obama's administration. Can you tell me what that "real leader" did that Trump stopped, or that Trump should be emulating? What did President Obama do to help the situation you say exists?

 

[black dog]

First of all the flag is not a soldier. The flag represents many things but immediately jumping to it representing soldiers is because you know that will get the the most outraged reaction from the uneducated.

If we go by statistics Then why are you so offended by the players kneeling?

The data doesn’t align with your beliefs there There are over 1600 NFL players. How many are kneeling?

How come you can’t just ignore them like you do the death of people at the hands of police?

1 death by excessive force is too much. Will you admit that there has been at least one instance of excessive use of force and lack of consequences for the police or their superiors?

Tell me something, What have YOU done for this Great Country we are lucky enough to live in?????

 

[GURPS]

..... but you continue to come back to some inane notion of "paid protester".

Progressive Groups were caught funding protestors to Trump Rally's / Campaign Stops during the elections to make trouble / pick fights
Ferguson Riots had Paid Protestors ...
SEIU hires [scabs] Protestors and buses them in


only now its professional and they call them flash mob companies

Questionable Craigslist ad offers to pay actors to be Trump supporters in Phoenix

Two days before President Donald Trump arrives in Phoenix for his first "outside-the-swamp" rally in Arizona, a phantom Craigslist ad popped up.

“Actors needed,” itread.

The ad, posted early on Sunday, wanted to hire people to pose as Trump supporters for the rally, with “minorities especially desired to hold pro-Trump signs, cheer on command, and show diversity.”

Those interested were asked to reply with a head-shot photo and a resume. The rate? Ten dollars per hour to stand in Phoenix’s predicted 105-degree heat Tuesday.

After 30 minutes, the post was deleted. Four hours later, it popped up again. Five minutes later, it was gone again.

the money comes from the likes of Soros Open Society Foundation

Craigslist yanks Seattle group’s ad for activists to fight ‘Trump agenda’


Why Was This 'Crowd Hire' Company Recruiting $25 An Hour 'Political Activists' In Charlotte Last Week?


Trump ignited a political firestorm yesterday during an impromptu press conference in which he said there was "blame on both sides" for the tragic events that occurred in Charlottesville over the weekend.

Now, the discovery of a craigslist ad posted last Monday, almost a full week before the Charlottesville protests, is raising new questions over whether paid protesters were sourced by a Los Angeles based "public relations firm specializing in innovative events" to serve as agitators in counterprotests.

The ad was posted by a company called "Crowds on Demand" and offered $25 per hour to "actors and photographers" to participate in events in the "Charlotte, NC area." While the ad didn't explicitly define a role to be filled by its crowd of "actors and photographers" it did ask applicants to comment on whether they were "ok with participating in peaceful protests." Here is the text from the ad:

Actors and Photographers Wanted in Charlotte

Crowds on Demand, a Los Angeles-based Public Relations firm specializing in innovative events, is looking for enthusiastic actors and photographers in the Charlotte, NC area to participate in our events. Our events include everything from rallies to protests to corporate PR stunts to celebrity scenes. The biggest qualification is enthusiasm, a "can-do" spirit. Pay will vary by event but typically is $25+ per hour plus reimbursements for gas/parking/Uber/public transit.

For more information about us, please visit www.crowdsondemand.com

If you're interested in working with us, please reply to this posting with the following info:

Full Name
Prior relevant experience (as an actor/performer, photographer, brand ambassador, political activist, etc)
When are you usually available for work?
Resume (optional)
If you're a photographer, what equipment do you use?
Are you ok with participating in peaceful protests (optional)?​

 

[Gilligan]

Tell me something, What have YOU done for this Great Country we are lucky enough to live in?????

Sucked a dick or two...

 

[Hijinx]

I don't care what Mr, Pence's reasons were its' worth the $250,000 just to hear the lamentations and cries of the Hillary voters.

 

[Sapidus]

Oh good Lord! No one is ignoring the death of people at the hands of police.

When there is far more good done by police than bad, you and your ilk choose to focus only on the bad. There is bad in every thing... there are bad cops, bad military members, bad members of congress, bad governors, etc... It's a pretty miserable life when people like our very wealthy football players can only focus on the bad in this country. When they have been afforded so much for having a skill that really provides NOTHING substantive to this country, and they choose to tunnel in on the bad. Here I am, a modest middle-class guy who is thankful for what this country has given me, and these guys, in their very selfish myopia, can only dig up what they aren't thankful for. This country SUCKS because of people like you that can't see the overall good and want to drag the rest of us down that sad slope. Well, I'm not going there. I'm going to continue to be happy with my very blessed life and watch you miserable people stay unhappy about everything.

Wow. Sounds like you Have a hard time putting yourself in others shoes.

Kapernick has donated a million dollars and all of these players are putting their jobs on the line because of the courage of their convictions.

Million of people watch Football and it generates billions in ticket sales, ad sales, merchandising. (13 billion in 2016) Sounds pretty substantive to the economy at the most at the least they were able to start a national conversation on an issue that continues to be ignored .

 

[This_person]

Wow. Sounds like you Have a hard time putting yourself in others shoes.

Kapernick has donated a million dollars and all of these players are putting their jobs on the line because of the courage of their convictions.

Million of people watch Football and it generates billions in ticket sales, ad sales, merchandising. (13 billion in 2016) Sounds pretty substantive to the economy at the most at the least they were able to start a national conversation on an issue that continues to be ignored .

You mean by you? How you keep ignoring the fact that there's no justification for the outrage?

 

[black dog]

Tell me something, What have YOU done for this Great Country we are lucky enough to live in?????

Kapernick has donated a million dollars and all of these players are putting their jobs on the line because of the courage of their convictions.

Million of people watch Football and it generates billions in ticket sales, ad sales, merchandising. (13 billion in 2016) Sounds pretty substantive to the economy at the most at the least they were able to start a national conversation on an issue that continues to be ignored .

So again, What have YOU done for your Country?????

And if there was no Pro football? That money would just be spent on other entertainment venues..

 

[Rommey]

He spent $250,000 of taxpayer money for a PR stunt at the direction of his boss while he was on the clock and being paid.

That is the definition of a paid protestor.

You really have a strange concept of the English language. A paid protestor is someone who is specifically paid to protest, not someone who is employed who happens to protest. You also continue to interchange "protest" and PR stunt"...its either one or the other.

"[A]t the direction of his boss": assuming one accepts this as factual, how is this relevant to what Pence did? Are you suggesting that if Pence walked out on his own without Trump's direction, that he wouldn't satisfy your "paid protestor" label?

You still fail to answer the question: Had he stayed for the game would you even care? I'm guessing you probably wouldn't have even noticed...

 

[Sapidus]

You mean by you? How you keep ignoring the fact that there's no justification for the outrage?

Exactly. There is no reason to be outraged.

You weren’t outraged about the treatment of soldiers when Trump insulted McCain when he said “he preferred ones who don’t get captured” about a man held in captivity for 5 1/2 years. Sounds like a pretty big sacrifice for our country.

You weren’t outraged when Trump insulted a gold star family.

In fact you voted for the man who did those things.

Those are both much more direct insults to our troops.

Yet you can’t bring yourself to watch people silently kneeling while facing the flag.

You people really need to get your priorities straight.

 

[seven]

You people really need to get your priorities straight.

Buncha snowflakes.

 

[This_person]

Exactly. There is no reason to be outraged.

You weren’t outraged about the treatment of soldiers when Trump insulted McCain when he said “he preferred ones who don’t get captured” about a man held in captivity for 5 1/2 years. Sounds like a pretty big sacrifice for our country.

You weren’t outraged when Trump insulted a gold star family.

In fact you voted for the man who did those things.

Those are both much more direct insults to our troops.

Yet you can’t bring yourself to watch people silently kneeling while facing the flag.

You people really need to get your priorities straight.

I definitely prioritize those things above the false premise of escalating police brutality. Have you been able to find any proof of your claim?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

 

[littlelady]

Exactly. There is no reason to be outraged.

You weren’t outraged about the treatment of soldiers when Trump insulted McCain when he said “he preferred ones who don’t get captured” about a man held in captivity for 5 1/2 years. Sounds like a pretty big sacrifice for our country.

You weren’t outraged when Trump insulted a gold star family.

In fact you voted for the man who did those things.

Those are both much more direct insults to our troops.

Yet you can’t bring yourself to watch people silently kneeling while facing the flag.

You people really need to get your priorities straight.

You, really, need to get your facts, and priorities straight about McCain. He is a traitor, and gave up classified info, during the VN War, and is still a traitor today to his professed party. I am sorry he has brain cancer, but he did not know that would happen to him when he helped the enemy. Karma, maybe. But, whatever. He is a jerk, but I really like his daughter Meghan. I have read your posts for quite a while now, and, sorry, you are wrong 99% of the time. I will give you the 1%.

 

[Sapidus]

I definitely prioritize those things above the false premise of escalating police brutality. Have you been able to find any proof of your claim?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I don’t think you know the meaning of the word prioritize.

If you cared so much for the troops as you claim you would not have voted for a man with such disregard for them.

 

[This_person]

I don’t think you know the meaning of the word prioritize.

If you cared so much for the troops as you claim you would not have voted for a man with such disregard for them.

If you voted for Clinton you cast your vote for someone who demonstrated a lack of caring for Americans.

Have you been able to find any proof of your claim of escalating police brutality?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

 

[littlelady]

I don’t think you know the meaning of the word prioritize.

If you cared so much for the troops as you claim you would not have voted for a man with such disregard for them.

Who else were We supposed to vote for? Hillary? Even in your hypnotized mind, you can't truly have wanted Hillary as prez. If you did, I don't know what else to say to you. Good or bad, thank the Lawd that Trump is prez for now.

 

[black dog]

Exactly. There is no reason to be outraged.

You weren’t outraged about the treatment of soldiers when Trump insulted McCain when he said “he preferred ones who don’t get captured” about a man held in captivity for 5 1/2 years. Sounds like a pretty big sacrifice for our country.

You weren’t outraged when Trump insulted a gold star family.

In fact you voted for the man who did those things.

Those are both much more direct insults to our troops.

Yet you can’t bring yourself to watch people silently kneeling while facing the flag.

You people really need to get your priorities straight.

John McCain, He finished what, Last in his Naval Academy Class, But yet only with his Fathers and Grandfathers names got to fly jets?
It seems like he wasnt that good of a pilot either.

Do you mean the Gold Star family that was using their sons death to help Clinton win the election, I haven't met anyone that is serving or served that was offended..

I too voted for Trump.

All of these petulant overpaid athletes enlist and do something positive for the luxury of living in America.

And again what have you done for your Country crybaby?? I'm betting nothing but take...